(03-12-2015, 11:46 PM)Kou Wrote:-Knows the deets-(03-12-2015, 11:21 PM)ArmachiA Wrote:I've personally run a guild/FC/whatever-you-want-to-call-it both IC and OOC. I'm significantly better at OOC leading, however. IC, my characters tend to wind up in those positions entirely on accident.(03-12-2015, 09:31 PM)Knight Kat Wrote:(03-12-2015, 02:29 PM)Verad Wrote: I strongly dislike when the leader of an RP FC has both an OOC and IC position of authority.*Â
I've often found that in other MMOs, such guilds lend themselves towards cults of personality and the encouraging of abusive and predatory behavior on the part of the leader. Often, people join the FC on the strength of their roleplay with the leader without considering whether the rest of the FC will be as entertaining, and it encourages plots to be about The Adventures of FC Leader and Supporting Cast.
None of the above is universally true, of course, but I've seen it happen enough, especially within the "House RP" community of World of Warcraft, that I am leery of any FC with a history describing how so-and-so leader is central to the foundations of the group.
*Disclaimer - Dubious Distributions positions Verad and myself as the OOC and IC authority within the FC. I am extremely uncomfortable with this position and fight it by mocking his actual level of authority over anybody in the FC whenever possible. Take that for what you will.
So, this following question is not only aimed at Verad, but anyone who also shares this opinion. I ask because this legitimately concerns me.
How does one truly run an FC where the OOC leader's character is not the IC leader? Or, where the IC leading character has no OOC authority?
Maybe I misunderstood here, but I am thinking about this, and I can't see an answer. For example, if I am an OOC leader, and Kiht is not IC leader, I will still have to closely coordinate and manage with whoever is the IC leader. This will give the person who plays the IC leader a sort of position of authority on an OOC level as well. How can the two be separated in a way that make the FC still function?
How my FC is currently run is Kiht and Khloe co-lead the FC together. But we are also co-leaders on an OOC level. In the instance we ever dead-lock on a decision, we would bring in a senior member as a tie-breaker, or call for an FC vote.
It has worked well so far, but the FC is just over two months old, and still small.
When I ran the Night Blades, my character was in no position of authority. Armi just isn't very authoritative in character, so she was a regular grunt (PR), however my fiance was the IC Leader. You're right, you basically have to communicate very closely with your IC leader to make sure everything is being run correctly.I wouldn't give it too a stranger, but someone who's a friend who's character is more suited for the position.
IC officers generally weren't OOC officers because people who played authoritative characters icly may not be very good at actually officership oocly and visa versa.
In our FC - those are two different roles.
However, things have kind of lined up lately and Ellion recently took over the guild oocly - meaning he's the head ic and ooc and a few of our officers are ICly also officers. This is actually a coincidence.
HOWEVER, I don't really see an issue with the FC leader oocly being the leader ICly. It works a lot of time, don't know why people have an issue with it.
I've also seen people as both IC and OOC leads. Sometimes it works fantastically, and sometimes it doesn't. I personally believe it comes down to an individual level. Some people are fantastic leaders, both IC and OOC. Some people are power-hungry megalomaniacs that need a good clonk on the head. Note: This isn't an attack on anyone, simply a statement designed entirely for humourous purposes.
Personally, I think FCs/Guilds/Clans are run better with a council of sorts. Having a single leader making all the executive decisions is, actually, what turns me off (hey, look, topic!)
It wasn't on accident. c:
I like the council idea, too, numerous heads are better than one. If one messes up, the others can clonk him/her.
Though, sometimes the other council members can leave and leave a certain other by themselves. >w>
