(04-14-2015, 03:56 PM)Val Wrote:(04-14-2015, 03:37 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote:(04-14-2015, 01:14 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: I was also under the impression the initial hits weren't dragoons but projectiles.
Also, I think the point of contention here is the difference between freedom of movement while falling and changing your destination at the peak of the jump. I don't think anyone would mind the latter, but when you become capable of flight with the former no one's going to find that "fair."
We've discussed at length here before about the veracity of people being okay with DRG being rockerlaunchersniperrifles. It basically went like this:
DRG: Sounds fine!
Everyone else: No, it doesn't!
I don't think RP has to be 'fair'.
It's not a competition.
I feel quite the opposite. No, it isn't a competition, but yes, it does have to be fair. If someone runs around RPing a Midlander Super Saiyan, I'm going to ignore them. If a dragoon leaps into the air and rockets down at supersonic speeds, only to instantaneously change direction on a dime? I'm going to ignore them. Not only is it not "fair," but it is entirely against any sort of laws of momentum and physics ever. Yes, we have to distill belief of certain things when playing a fantasy game, but the laws of motion still exist.
The problem here is that neither you nor I are qualified to make judgements based on what "The laws of momentum" are and how they apply to pretendy fun times.
If you want to say that "I reserve the right to not pretendy fun times with people who pretendy fun times in a way I don't arbitrarily like" that's fine, too. But do own up to what all of this actually is rather than this ovewhelming need I see from people to simultaneously say that they don't want to "Police RP" in one hand and then "But I'm going to suggest we police RP" in the other. it's a bit nonsensical and I'm growing rather tired of seeing that contradiction in terms over and over.
Not to point any fingers at the people who do this, you know who you are after all, but it's a moot point.Â
"Does RP need to be 'fair'?" Hmmm. I suppose?
I mean it's, again, rather arbitrary. What is fair? I mean war isn't fair. Life isn't fair. Someone somewhere will always have something you do not have just as you have things others do not have. That may be an aside to 'what is jealousy and why is it a thing' but really, I think it's relevant. This whole thread has been pretty regularly peppered with this weird notion that $persons have a $thing that other $persons don't particularly want them to have for personal reasons. This sort of 'narrative denial' is as tired as the whole talking out of both sides of our mouths arguments made when we want to police something without coming off like we're policing something.
If we're strictly talking "What are Dragoon abilities and how do I counter them as a non-Dragoon who fears that there are aerial Dragoon Drones flying over my house put up there by the NDA (National Dragoon Agency) and at any time they could leap down and spear me in my scrotum for simply uttering the word 'heresy'"? Well that may be a different discussion for a different thread.Â
I don't think anyone in this thread or in RP would ever advocate that a "Dragoon" (being of sound mind and body at the peak of his skill and blahblahblah) is going to be able to come by and justify one-shotting your character by simply being airborne. Will ground bound targets or even airborne targets have much to fear from Dragoons? Yes, of course. Just like a Dragoon has much to fear from a Thaumaturge laying down flares and lightning everywhere or a competent archer who might Hawkeye their ass right out of the sky. We're so caught up with one instance and expression of 'power' that we fail to see the rest of the big picture. So let's please cease the fear mongering and realize that we (or our characters anyway) live in a powerful world filled with powerful people doing impossible things. Magic is prevalent and used in everyday life. Some nations have knights that leap through the sky and slay dragons while others having roving armored paladins who dispense justice and protect people and others still come from warrior lineages of fistfighters able to use chakra in ways that could probably cave in a small building.Â
Does the enemy of a Dragoon have much to fear from said Dragoon? yes. But does any enemy of any $job have much to fear from said $job? Easily.