(04-17-2015, 03:35 PM)Gegenji Wrote:(04-17-2015, 03:27 PM)Kayllen Wrote: You claim a cultural Norm in Eorzea that is consistently proven to be false by the sheer amount of multi-racial cooperation that goes on every day, not only among the armed forces (though that is predominant), but also in in the aristocracies and bureaucracies of every city state. I think it might be fair to say that, "Racial tension, conflict, and divides were the norm at one time" but if you started to spout racial propaganda in public at any city state you'd likely be met with trouble.
Finally: Ishgard being geographically a part of "Eorzea" does not in fact prove your point. Genetic/Composition-division fallacy is still strongly at play, here. You need to provide proof otherwise.
Flipping script again here. With what proof is the first one fair? Have we seen any events in game where someone got in trouble for being racist? Keep in mind that the multi-racial cooperation - and, to wit, the cooperation between the Eorzean Alliance - is, from how I understand it (I believe it was mentioned somewhere but the exact reference eludes me) wrought solely because Garlemand was knocking at their doors saying "Hi, we want your stuff." As soon as the threat passed, they returned to their own internal squabbles without much care about what was going on in the other nations.
As for the second. If there is a cultural norm for all of Eorzea (as stated by someone on the lore team), wouldn't it be normal to believe that a nation within the borders of Eorzea would follow these cultural norms? I would figure it would be only natural to assume that one would require proof as to why they are different from everyone else, rather than the same.
It's interesting that all pretense to this pervasive "Culture of systematic and violent racism" suddenly just vanishes as if it was never there the moment a foreign invader comes knocking. It's almost as if that culture of racism isn't as rampant as we thought...
In all seriousness, though, we only have hundreds of years of prior history stating "there were wars; people DIED man!" and in the past... let's say 50 years? Almost no examples of racial warring. No Elezen declared war on Hyur or even enacted mass killings on them OR even said "Only Elezen, no Hyur!" We've zero poof of that.Â
What we do have is many, MANY instances of the supposed racial tensions being overcome so often that it begins to beg the question: Are Eorzeans really racist or are they just all brought up in a pseudo-xenophobic fashion because sociologically people gravitate towards their own and this is, inherently, what tends to breed any form of racism at all? Though if that were the case we would have "strictly $race communities" and we don't. There seems to be an interesting mix of all races living, more or less, in harmony with one another in every part of the world. Hell, even the Ishgardians and their history of violence with the Hyur seem to be okay with having Midlanders make up 30-35% of their population. That's pretty astounding for a culture of racism, really.
All in all, we just don't know. I simply state again that we shouldn't make assumptions.
