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WellllllThere's a lot of large hints and evidence to suggest the Twelve ARE primals. (Just ones that take way more power than say: Ifrit, to summon even a shred of power out of the lifestream.  Just look at what Louie had to do with Prayer power and Staff-Aether channeling to get a failed moon seal attempt and a time jump from the 'gods')
Given that "lore" suggests that the gods walked around on earth during or before the first Umbral (Maybe a time when there was a lot more Aether saturation to boot), there's a good chance all these 'gods', that the primals claim to be, existed at the same time, and left for the same reasons.
At this point we don't have a 'unique' primal showing up (Outside of Hildebrant's quest, which is....questionable in it's place of how serious you take it)
Even the pheonix primal and Bahamut have a lot of lore/legend behind "Well it existed".
Given how summons work for things like...Carbuncles... there's a good chance pulling an existant Primal (Gods and monsters) out of the Lifestream gives you some control over how it's going to act. Â A literal shackle of faith for the god. (Through your belief of what it should do: Ramuh and protecting the twelveswood, Ravanah and expanding territory after the Gnath got a taste for blood, Pheonix and 'fixing' things)
If hero primals (Moggle Mog, Shiva) follow the same "imprint waiting to be pulled" pattern then since they have an expected way to act, and an imprinted pattern of personality, it would explain why they act the same but somewhat according to how their follower/summoner thinks they should (Shiva being a good example of this in the MSQ).Â
Tldr; For the Gods and Primals, there's a lot of evidence it's the 'real' god that gets pulled out for a primal summon. Â For Heros the evidence points at it being an 'echo' of what the hero was. Â Both are bound by the faith in what they are/were, and act accordingly.
It seems very likely the Primals and the Twelve, and future Primals, are just aetheric beings/manifestations of mortal echos in the aether stream (Mog, Shiva), that used to exist in an age where Aether was plentiful, and now need help getting back across.
Which bodes real ill for when you think about what the Ascians are doing with their old buddy Zodiarc. Â Edit: Though there's also a lot of things indicating that they might be a special case compared to normal primals/gods. Â A fourth/highest power tier, assuming they all work as 'aether beings/echos' maybe? Hero echos/primal/god/Giant fucking Crystal Elder Gods)
If we get a completely unique primal with no historical, mythical, or deific basing, that'll throw this entire thing out the window. Â But right now the only counter to that is Enkidu with the Hildebrand quest and that's...well...a murder chicken. Â Take that as you will Canonically.
Given that "lore" suggests that the gods walked around on earth during or before the first Umbral (Maybe a time when there was a lot more Aether saturation to boot), there's a good chance all these 'gods', that the primals claim to be, existed at the same time, and left for the same reasons.
At this point we don't have a 'unique' primal showing up (Outside of Hildebrant's quest, which is....questionable in it's place of how serious you take it)
Even the pheonix primal and Bahamut have a lot of lore/legend behind "Well it existed".
Given how summons work for things like...Carbuncles... there's a good chance pulling an existant Primal (Gods and monsters) out of the Lifestream gives you some control over how it's going to act. Â A literal shackle of faith for the god. (Through your belief of what it should do: Ramuh and protecting the twelveswood, Ravanah and expanding territory after the Gnath got a taste for blood, Pheonix and 'fixing' things)
If hero primals (Moggle Mog, Shiva) follow the same "imprint waiting to be pulled" pattern then since they have an expected way to act, and an imprinted pattern of personality, it would explain why they act the same but somewhat according to how their follower/summoner thinks they should (Shiva being a good example of this in the MSQ).Â
Tldr; For the Gods and Primals, there's a lot of evidence it's the 'real' god that gets pulled out for a primal summon. Â For Heros the evidence points at it being an 'echo' of what the hero was. Â Both are bound by the faith in what they are/were, and act accordingly.
It seems very likely the Primals and the Twelve, and future Primals, are just aetheric beings/manifestations of mortal echos in the aether stream (Mog, Shiva), that used to exist in an age where Aether was plentiful, and now need help getting back across.
Which bodes real ill for when you think about what the Ascians are doing with their old buddy Zodiarc. Â Edit: Though there's also a lot of things indicating that they might be a special case compared to normal primals/gods. Â A fourth/highest power tier, assuming they all work as 'aether beings/echos' maybe? Hero echos/primal/god/Giant fucking Crystal Elder Gods)
If we get a completely unique primal with no historical, mythical, or deific basing, that'll throw this entire thing out the window. Â But right now the only counter to that is Enkidu with the Hildebrand quest and that's...well...a murder chicken. Â Take that as you will Canonically.
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