(08-02-2015, 05:45 AM)KitKat Wrote:(08-02-2015, 05:26 AM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote:(08-02-2015, 04:17 AM)KitKat Wrote:(08-01-2015, 05:33 PM)hauntmedoitagain Wrote: Limsa has a notable lesbian pirate bar.
But she's not a lesbian. She and that other pirate guy have a thing/not-thing going on.
And the bar isn't a lesbian bar. One of the NPCs explicitly says "The Sirens don't 'ave time for men, unless they's warmin' our beds."
Please don't say untrue things and try to pass them off as true.
It's called the 'Missing Member'.
It might not strictly be a 'Lesbian Bar' but it's very clearly a female centric gathering point, primarily built around empowerment of female sexuality, and disliking of the 'ol gravy hose (at least on premises). I agree it's not 100% portrayed as a Lesbian bar, but I think there are enough hints to treat it as such.
It's like if there was a bar in Ul'dah called, "The Throbbing Cock" and only dudes were there, and the NPCs were saying 'Heh, women are lame'. One could assume it was in fact a gay bar, even if there wasn't a male NPC shouting 'I LOVE DICK'.
But there's specifically a female NPC saying exactly that outside the Missing Member.
The bar is, and -only- is, a female-centric bar. Claiming it is a lesbian bar is untrue. Bringing a lesbian character to the bar is fine. But let's not spout off facts that are, in fact, not facts.
Facts are: There are no hints that it is a lesbian bar. The captain, Rhoswen (a female), was ready and willing to be matched up with the rival pirate, Carvallain (a male) in the Valentione's quests. The female NPC (nameless) outside of the doors says what I said earlier. O'kalkaya, who stands at the edge of the bridge leading to the Missing Member, says "...Just watch yer tongue 'round Cap'n Rhoswen! Last man that didn't? Well, 'e's a member no more, if ye catch me drift." This suggests that the name of the bar isn't because men are unwelcome and it's full of lesbians, but because a man pissed her off and she cut his junk off.
Now, I'm done derailing this topic, but I thought I'd jump in to make sure that when people say things, they make sure they're stating facts.
Also, I'm pretty certain this is an implication of straight sex:
![[Image: 55be0e9622c392663459175a.jpg]](http://cdn.guildwork.net/albums/images/55be0e9622c392663459175a.jpg)
It's not a lesbian bar, simply a crew of dominatrix/female empowerment style women. They consider men inferior and play with them like that.
To be an interesting, intriguing, well-written character, there needs to be something to allow the audience to relate to them. That is what the problem is with who wants their character to be "perfect". Perfect characters will never be strong, and strong characters will never be perfect, because WE (those who read, who watch, who RP) are not perfect.
"What makes a strong character is how they deal with their flaws, their fears, their turmoils, their troubles that get in the way. That's what makes them relatable." -- N.C.
"What makes a strong character is how they deal with their flaws, their fears, their turmoils, their troubles that get in the way. That's what makes them relatable." -- N.C.
