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RE: Avoiding contemporary liberalism in RP and embracing traditional conservatism |
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08-02-2015, 09:27 PM
(This post was last modified: 08-02-2015, 09:30 PM by Sin.)
I see several arguments going on here at once and it's getting convoluted. I think my earlier post summed it all pretty well so I'll repeat it as a foreword.

If you don't like roleplaying racism, then don't. If you don't like roleplaying X, then don't. That's fine.

But please, don't deny that the setting has racism when the lore writer has come out and said that it does. When you can see it in game if you look a little deeper than a superficial glance.

I won't deny that the game's developers could do a better job of talking about this conflicts in side quests. They're quite boring anyway, inject some flavor into them SE come on, less moogle finding more flavor! But, the crux of the matter is that the lore -is- there. The representations are there for you to see if you dig just a little bit deeper.

Now, I see people saying that nobody is arguing that Eorzea is not a dark, gritty place, but not even three posts from here I can see people arguing that Eorzea is not a dark, gritty place with death, disease, famine and corruption along every corner. This confuses me. Once more, I simply don't think there's debate as to whether Eorzea is a shitty place or not if one takes an honest, objective look at the setting.

In any case! If you will indulge me, I'd love to take you guys on a casual stroll through Eorzea to see some of the people of this non-dark, clean world.
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A casual stroll
We begin our strolls through the nice boughs of Gridania. Beautiful trees, dreamy Elezen's being cordial to each other with no mind to racial tensions nor preconceived notions.
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Well, that was strange, those guys were really mean to that "Damnable Duskwight," Hmmm. Maybe the Conjurer's healers and protectors of this beautiful forest will be nicer and happy go lucky.
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Oh no, why are they pleading for aid! Why is a child being refused help simply because its the will of the Elementals! That's not nice! What mean grumps and totally isolated bout of meanness. I'm going to Ul'dah there I'll find more nice people, like these two Lalafells in dark robes offering this poor, dirty refugee some food!
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What a couple of nice guys in a totally non awful place helping out the poor and misfortuned, like this lady! Pleading with a merchant, begging for anything to feed to her starving son.
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Surely not anyone is in such dire straits, like this florist! What beatiful plants he grows strangely reminiscent of the illegal substance known as Somnus.
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What a nice guy, and this other dude here beside him, I wonder if he helps sell these flowers. I wonder why he wants them to offer a pinch first, that strangely reminds me of the unscrupulous ways in which drug dealers offer a bit first in order to get the person hooked.
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See, the world isn't so bad. I went north then, and I even saw a nice mother comforting her kid who seemed to shake irrevocably, unable to shake off the unforgiving cold of Coerthas while the rich and privileged slept comfily in their manors.
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Nahh, she's probably just excited cause she won the cactpot and can't stop shaking.
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And this guy's just mildly upset because he thought he had the winning ticket. Man, Eorzea is a wonderful place that's not gritty, dark, unforgiving with themes of corruption, class disparity, racism and death around every corner.

Anyway, I hope you take the stroll as playfully as I meant it. My point is, that's just NPC chat bubbles. There's also fates, and levequests, and sidequests, and Dev statement that make it quite clear that though aesthetically the game might seem bright at first glance. Right underneath is a gritty underbelly.

I'll reiterate just so my point is not lost in this massive post. You don't want to roleplay Racism or Grittyness or whatever... you don't want to roleplay X. THEN DON'T! Play to your comforts, have your fun. But please... please! Don't deny that Eorzea is a shitty place with visceral suffering, danger, death, and corruption around every corner.

Talks the talk, and walks the walk.
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