(09-01-2015, 01:27 AM)Oli! Wrote: Dravania is open territory, with more than one point of access. Anyone could have gotten in there, and Q'yantaa is not only heavily implied as being new to the camp in the quest text...
Yes, Q'yantaa, Mujih Mewrilah, and L'khonebb are recent immigrants to Ishgardian territory. And the fact was acknowledged next to their names. The point of bringing them up however was because of this openness in Dravanian territory in Q'yantaa's case, or the ease in which Mujih Mewrilah and L'khonebb moved into Ishgard. Dravania is open territory, Coerthas is open territory, the Temple Knights of Ishgard work hand in hand with Gridania's Gods Quiver. Ishgard is and has been surrounded on all sides by Miqo'te populated areas for ages, well before they sealed off their borders. O'bhen Tia has been a hunter in Tailfeather for years. To blanket rule out the possibility of Miqo'te being a part of Ishgardian society at all is absurd to me. This is the very particular quote I'm referencing:
(08-31-2015, 05:31 PM)Ashe Wrote: There should be no miqo'te in Ishgard as Ishgardian citizens. Like...period. There are no non-outside people in Ishgard who are Miqo'te. At all.
In response to this quote I linked four canon Ishgardian Miqo'te that appeared in Ishgardian territory in 1.0. Two of these four ( Pahna Jaab and K'leytai ) are Gatewardens. For those who do not know, Gatewardens are citizens of their city-state who establish and protect aetheryte camps and outposts. Gatewardens from Tinolqa are all Wood Wailers or Holmwatch. Gatewardens in Thanalan are all Brass Blades. Gatewardens in La Noscea are all Knights of the Barracuda.
K'leytai specifically was the Gatewarden of Camp Riversmeet. Listen to what Artoirel says about Riversmeet:
Artoirel Wrote:It seems we have been assigned the area near Camp Riversmeet, Sounsyy. Lest you are unaware, the camp was one of many our knights were forced to abandon when we withdrew from the Coerthas western highlands—one of many sacrifices made in the wake of the Calamity.
Does this mean K'leytai or Pahna were born in Ishgard or aren't immigrants? No. But it does mean that they are Knights of Ishgard and accepted citizens of the Holy See... unless complete foreigners can become Knights? Which... I believe was the original argument against Miqo'te - that they were foreign and would never be accepted into Ishgardian society, much less become dragoons. Despite examples ranging from Lucia (Garlean) to Dyrstweitz (Roegadyn) to the knights of the Convictory showing Ishgard accepts foreigners into their ranks if they prove themselves - just like everyone else.
