(09-01-2015, 02:42 AM)Calliope Cloverbloom Wrote:(09-01-2015, 02:34 AM)Zelmanov Wrote: In all due respect, while your argument is correct, using the job questline weakens your aurgment. the Dragoon questline deals with the exceptions of the exceptions. You are the 2nd Azure dragoon when there should ONLY BE ONE. Given the religious nature of Ishgard, if Halone chose a Miqo'te to be the Azure Dragoon, they sure as hell would shut up
NOT ONLY THAT. But Estienien has to clarify around 30 times in the MSQ (If you go as Dragoon) that you are Azure Dragoon, and that is clarifications to People like AYMERIC, so it is clear VERY FEW PEOPLE know who or what you are. To everyone else, you are just a lance wielding schmo.
Any plot that directly relates to what the main character in the MSQ or job quests can get away with has to be analyzed under immense scrutiny for a case of exceptionalism.
Which is what the Dragoon job quests are PLAGUED WITH.
It is the reason why Paladins are so comfortable with their job definitions and Dragoons get a 10 page discussion like this every few months.
It has gotten easier with Heavensward, but it is still VERY HARD to separate what is just a quality of BAHAMUT KILLER, WOL and every day schmuck of the same job title.
Still no difference in the dialogue or treatment of the character regardless of race.
Plenty of people in the real world who are zealous levels of religious are still also racist. The fact that someone is supposedly blessed by your god doesn't erase your prejudices or make you instantly regard them with the utmost of kindness and respect. There'd be this begrudging tone... this reluctant acceptance of divine will in spite of your hesitation to accept what's occurring. Not "Oh hello there, person whose race I'm not even at all fazed by".
Firstly, the people you deal with in 30-50? Its Alberic, a borderline dragon sympathizer and a moderate, if not progressive. Its not a stretch to believe he'd take anyone in just because of his position as "enlightened". The people that overlook your training? SERIOUSLY doubt your ability, on the basis of being an outsider. Estinien? He's high on eye juice and just sees you as a tool for more power, which ultimate causes his fall. Race isn't an issue because at that point you are an unofficial pet project not even in scrutiny of the greater society of Ishgard
50-60, Heustienne seeks you out, she drinks the koolaid and buys the premise. no one else really acknowledges you as Azure Dragoon, she only cares about power to be stronger and cares not for the source. Do you think seeking the outsider Azure dragoon for help, which she must have heard stories of is really going to be stopped because of race at that point?
as said before, no one even recognizes you as Azure Dragoon unless Estinien makes a point of it in the MSQ. The part of race at those points is so totally eclipsed by larger issues. It is not so much the fact that the racism isn't there as it is the context of those encounters are not predicated on race.
you are talking about the same MSQ that doesn't take into account what you are wearing, EVER. I can trot up to the Holy See in a bikini and not a word said, I go see the Sultana in a heavy coat and snowman hat and not an eyelash is batted. Want to argue that exotic dress isn't criticized? Look a the hildebrand quest where the cross dressing itself is the thing put into question. Thing is, I can do something quite similar and go into quests where NO ONE is stunned by my outfit.
The reason for the lack of change regardless of race or gender is for the most part the intention of normalizing the experience for millions of combinations of different characters playing different roles playing different races and genders. The writers DO NOT (whether its a good or a bad thing is different) want to account for these differences, they do not want to encode say, a violent distrust of lalafels in focal point of a quest because if a lalafel comes by the outcome should be much more dramatically different than say a hyur popped up.Â
So of course every character the WOL runs into/interacts with will not be barred on race, but by being "unproven" or an "outsider" or "Want to see if you are as good as they say."
anything that involves the player character directly is under scrutiny for exceptionalism.
