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RE: Ishgardian Politics |
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10-06-2015, 08:28 PM
(10-06-2015, 04:16 PM)RiniKett Wrote: Is it possible for one noble house to politically assassinate, or go as far as actually attacking another noble house in secret, for the advancement of their own personal gain or goals. I've read one thread referring to the social structure and such, so I've read that the Hyur Nobility is very thin and is only gained through, to put it frankly, having the right opportunities and busting their ass. There is also, supposedly, a lot racial tension; so would it be plausible to say that a Hyur noble house could be targeted or even lashed out on based on these tensions.

I'm looking at you Sounsyy, lol.

This is certainly possible. I took some time to go through some old levequests and the MSQ to try to find some more out about the inter-house relations. What I found is that the four High Houses are fierce rivals, though the rivalry appears to be mostly "friendly" on the surface. However, there is easily enough evidence to suggest that certain individuals within the Houses may feel... less than enthusiastic of their peers and may resort to political assassination to gain greater favor with the Archbishop.

Dinner for Four Wrote:You return to Torsefers empty-handed, and he is thankful for your assistance. He tells you that the four High Houses are descended from the heroes who helped establish Ishgard. Although they are a formidable alliance in the face of their Dravanian enemies, they are quick to turn on one another when seeking political clout. He warns you to be careful, as making new friends may also result in new enemies.

That's not to say it's specifically happened in lore, but if it had, I would not be surprised. Also... judging by the way House Dzemael is depicted as being one of the more confrontational houses, I imagine that if any of the four houses had been politically ostracized in the past, it was likely Dzemael. Although, currently, House Haillenarte is in the dog house for their loss of the Steel and Stone Vigils as well as their inability to cultivate a successfully self-sustaining outpost in the Sea of Clouds. Meanwhile, House Fortemps is catching some heat for their outspoken views on the benefits of outsiders. While House Dzemael faces pressures from the other houses for their construction of Falcon's Nest.

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Count Edmont de Fortemps Wrote:Granted, my decision will have raised eyebrows in the Vault and in the halls of the other High Houses. But so long as you continue your altruistic endeavors, I doubt my honored peers will feel moved to voice their concerns.
Alphinaud Wrote:By granting us patronage, House Fortemps has taken a tremendous risk. Until we demonstrate our worth to Ishgard at large, the count will face considerable opposition from his peers in matters great and small.

Artoirel Wrote:To the matter at hand, then: we will be assisting my esteemed compatriots of houses Durendaire and Dzemael. You are aware of our friendly rivalry, I take it? Well, suffice it to say, the prospect of assisting said houses does not fill me with joy.

Drillemont Wrote:..."Houses Fortemps and Haillenarte hereby formally advise that all restrictions on employing foreign sellswords be-" Hmph. These are naught more than the ill-conceived notions of a hopeless romantic and a naive lordling. House Durendaire would not even be in this position had not House Haillenarte failed to hold the Stone Vigil!
Nivie Wrote:Alas, he is not the only one to heap disdain upon House Haillenarte. Ever since we lost the Steel and Stone Vigils, we have been at the mercy of the other High Houses.

Bartelot de Haillenarte Wrote:Have we work for a weaver? No, lass, I'm afraid we've not got the gil for such now. But the way I hear it, House Durendaire's rollin' in the coin. Make your pitch to one of their guards. Mayhap they'll throw some custom your way.

Dyrstweitz Wrote:A hearty hail to you, adventurer. I am Dyrstweitz, son of Dyrstweitz. I serve House Dzemael, as did my father and his father before him. Like them, I have sworn a solemn oath to protect the count's lands and holdings from any and all that would do them harm. Originally designed to provide protection against air and land attacks from the Wyrmking's horde, construction on the Darkhold began several generations ago when Count Dzemael, fifty-third of his line and lord of House Dzemael - greatest of the four high houses of Ishgard - discovered a hidden network of caves while foxing near the Nail.

Do You Even String a Bow? Wrote:What started out as a simple sponsorship for an archery competition by the Congregation has turned into a grand affair as the High Houses caught wind with their natural instincts for rivalry. The contest has been rendered exclusive only to highborn archers, and will involve all forms of moving targets and dazzling displays of accuracy on chocoback. Quite a show will be had, which means an equally suitable prize must be given to the winner. I seek none but the finest carpenters to submit a bow design of their choosing to serve as the grand prize, and the carpenter of the winning bow shall be paid handsomely for it.
(Interesting thing of note about this levequest, is that its later revealed a bowmaiden, one of the daughters of the four Houses won the competition over the other male heirs.)

Persona non Gratin Wrote:I have been informed that House Haillenarte has agreed to have its contingents partake in joint training exercises with House Dzemael, and my hope is fixed that the supper that follows will allow for more amity among the two Houses. Finding a dish that would dull sharp tongues has proven difficult, but I am confident dhalmel gratin would suffice, with thick consistency of the Dzemael variety and game familiar to Rose Knights.

Recipe for Disaster (L) Wrote:What were expected to be joint drills in good faith among the knights of Haillenarte and Dzemael has manifested into measuring the others' strength and speed, with more men joining in by the day. Halone forbid if the nobility put more energy into slicing up dragons than boasting who has downed more of them. I can only hope that dinner will briefly hush the incessant churl-hurling─heaping servings of thick dhalmel gratin should keep them chewing for a while.

Dinner for Four Wrote:House Fortemps is preparing to host a banquet, and invitations must be delivered to the other High Houses. Assuming you will be unable to meet with the lords and ladies of each house, Torsefers asks that you deliver invitations to the guards standing watch at each house.

You speak with Bartelot at House Haillenarte and hand him the banquet invitation. He regretfully informs you that, although his lord would be pleased by the invitation, he has been kept busy in the wake of recent Dravanian assaults and matters concerning heretics. Move on to House Dzemael and deliver the next invitation.

You reach House Dzemael to find Jainelette standing guard outside. She tells you that her lord has been preoccupied with the restoration of Falcon's Nest and has little time for aught else. Nevertheless, she promises to see the invitation delivered. Proceed to House Durendaire to deliver the last invitation.

You deliver the invitation to Framoncis standing guard at House Durendaire, and he finds the proposed banquet to be suspect at best. He goes on to tell you that House Durendaire and House Fortemps are not on good terms. He agrees to deliver the invitation if only to prevent undue tension between the two houses. Report to Torsefers and inform him the invitations have been delivered.

You return to Torsefers empty-handed, and he is thankful for your assistance. He tells you that the four High Houses are descended from the heroes who helped establish Ishgard. Although they are a formidable alliance in the face of their Dravanian enemies, they are quick to turn on one another when seeking political clout. He warns you to be careful, as making new friends may also result in new enemies.

As far as Hyur nobility goes, it does seem to be scarce, though one such family shows up in the Weaver 50+ questline. They seem to have good standing with House Durendaire, and as such do not seem to be greatly discriminated against. But I've not leveled my weaver up very high yet so can't say much more.

The possibility of discrimination against Hyuran nobility seems plausible, especially ones who earned their nobility recently by killing a dragon or some other deed may cause jealousy in Elezen peers or Houses which thought they deserved the kill or whatever. But I can't offer much more than speculation on this.

There are a few instances in Heavensward side quests (Ayleth comes to mind) where some people will attempt to screw over their compatriots in order to achieve knighthood, but that doesn't necessarily seem to be entirely race based? I could be wrong, Ayleth is Hyuran and I think the noble in question was Elezen, so the race case could be argued.

A Noble Purpose Wrote:An unknown nobleman offered Ayleth power and status in exchange for the dragon tooth, but it was a trick. He stole the tooth and left Ayleth with nothing. Margyt assures her that despite not having status or social power, if they work together, they can bring about change in the Ishgardian society. Ayleth agrees to work together with Margyt to this end. Margyt asks you to talk to her back at the Convictory so she can continue the discussion in the safety of the camp.



Hope this helps! ^^; I know it's not very definitive!

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Ishgardian Politics - by RiniKett - 10-06-2015, 04:16 PM
RE: Ishgardian Politics - by Ignacius - 10-06-2015, 04:44 PM
RE: Ishgardian Politics - by Virella - 10-06-2015, 04:47 PM
RE: Ishgardian Politics - by allgivenover - 10-06-2015, 04:56 PM
RE: Ishgardian Politics - by Ignacius - 10-06-2015, 05:07 PM
RE: Ishgardian Politics - by Sounsyy - 10-06-2015, 08:28 PM
RE: Ishgardian Politics - by RiniKett - 10-06-2015, 08:32 PM
RE: Ishgardian Politics - by V'aleera - 10-07-2015, 02:18 AM
RE: Ishgardian Politics - by SicketySix - 10-07-2015, 08:52 AM
RE: Ishgardian Politics - by FallenFedora - 10-07-2015, 02:55 AM
RE: Ishgardian Politics - by RiniKett - 10-07-2015, 04:42 AM
RE: Ishgardian Politics - by Sounsyy - 10-07-2015, 07:47 AM
RE: Ishgardian Politics - by RiniKett - 10-07-2015, 09:34 AM
RE: Ishgardian Politics - by FallenFedora - 10-07-2015, 06:57 AM

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