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(12-15-2015, 12:18 AM)Vyce Wrote: Some of the points in the last two pages are ridiculous. Here's an example of concrete lore.
You cannot know of the fate of Louisoux.Â
Why?
Alisae and friends sealed the Coils after finding out and are the only beings who know. Not even Minfilia knows.
Mentioning the fate of Louisoix in RP is impossible because we have concrete lore stating your character does not have that information.
It is spelled out.
Willful Ignorance here would be ignoring the sources and facts to continue RPing that you know of his fate.
Whether Eorzeans take a dump has nothing to do with Willful Ignorance because there are no facts present either way and I have no idea why it was brought up. It only counta for things that we know to be true.
Merely for the sake of argument...
Strictly speaking, in the scenario you mentioned, we have concrete lore that The Warrior of Light did not receive information regarding the fate of Louisoux. Most people don't seem to play their character as being The Warrior of Light. As you stated yourself, there are in fact individuals who were involved in that scenario who did know the fate of Louisoux, and simply chose not to tell Minfilia and the Warrior of Light. That isn't a concrete indication that they would not tell anyone ever, so although it's unlikely, it's at least possible that a character whose background includes some association with one or more of the knowledgeable individuals might've been privy to the knowledge as a result of some personal discussion with them.Â
To which one could claim, "But we can't presume a friendship with an NPC scripted by the developers, and can't assume said NPC would or would not divulge information to anyone who may or may not be their friend", the counterpoint to which is that people do that all the time with shopkeepers, bartenders, town guards, and all manner of other NPCs that exist in the game, and in fact it fosters a more plausible "living world" environment if the potential for our characters to have possible associations with named NPCs exists.
That said, because such a player is not a developer, any answer they might give as to the fate of Louisoux is OOCly speculative and their character might end up proven wrong if further information about the story is revealed in a later release of game content. In that event, the player would have to scramble for a reasonable explanation - did their character lie? Is their character going to claim their NPC friend had lied?
Concrete, while a solid material, is also rather porous, and in the grand scheme of building materials is subject to substantial flexibility and expansion/contraction. That's why sidewalks aren't one continuous expanse of concrete, but are in fact poured with intentional small gaps every few feet, to accommodate the expansion and contraction of the material. The point is, it's not impermeable or unchangeable as a material. Neither is lore. A sharp enough process of thought can find plausible ways around nearly anything.
Regarding the portion in red: Since you chose to call out my comment specifically, I'll address that. There are facts, thank you. Fact: No form of plumbed toilet nor pre-toilet outhouse nor pre-outhouse chamberpots appear to exist in the setting as objects, items, or references by characters. Fact: No manner of related sanitary products, such as bathroom tissue, appear to exist in the setting as objects, items, or references by characters. Fact: No character to my knowledge ever references in any dialogue any manner of related bodily function. There are three possible conclusions that can be made from this:
Option 1: They don't. That's why there's no facilities, materials, or references.Â
Option 2: They do, they just pretty much do it wherever is convenient and nobody's conceived of sanitation. Enjoy your very gross setting and smelly characters. Yay.
Option 3: They do, but developers didn't think anybody would be so focused on the trite minutia of every tiny detail of their setting that anyone would actually drill into it so hard as to question whether or not anybody has digestive functions.
Now, that option 3 there is one of critical importance, because it's the one most likely for us to latch onto. It's simply the most sensible. However, if it's the most sensible answer to an obvious gap in the setting in one area, why doesn't the same logic apply to apparent gaps in the rest of the setting? Isn't that interesting? We're content to assume one thing happens to simply be oversight on the part of developers who didn't take roleplayers to be their top priority when designing a setting, yet we're totally not content to make the same assumption about something like whether or not someone could be a White Mage.
Well, ladies and gentlemen, in all probability it really is just that simple. The developers didn't prioritize roleplayers. They never conceived of the idea that someone would play their character from a perspective other than "I'm the Warrior of Light", and furthermore, never conceived of a need to explain how or why someone could or couldn't be a White Mage. The brainpower to put into that situation simply wasn't relevant or important to the achievement of a playable MMOÂ and, perhaps more vitally, would have been a complete waste of time to contemplate and explain within the game considering the level of depth desired by the average player of said game.
So why have all these constant debates about situations that are really plainly nothing more than omissions on the part of the developers? The lore is going to be imperfect. The lore is going to have gaps. If what someone wants to assume about the game world doesn't agree with what you want to assume about the game world, so what? For all you know, that person has a totally rational explanation for the thing you've decided to grab a pitchfork and torch about, so why not give them the benefit of doubt and actually RP with them and get to know what their perspective is before you run around telling them they're ignorant because they don't interpret a vague situation in precisely the same way that you do? Isn't there enough of that behavior in the real world? Why do we need that in a make-believe one?
/soapboxmode off
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This player has a sense of humor. If the content of the post suggests otherwise, please err on the side of amusement and friendship, because that's almost certainly the intent. We're all on the same team: Team Roleplayer! Have a smile, have a chuckle, and have a slice of pie. Isn't pie great?