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(08-06-2013, 09:32 AM)lady2beetle Wrote: "If it turns out that this is all about different RP styles"(08-06-2013, 07:51 AM)Yeldir Melfusor Wrote: When the trailblazing is done, and everyone is more or less on the same page, progression wise, we'll have two peacefully coexisting communities with their own attitudes and "flavors" to choose from. I say this with a bit of certainty because I suspect Gilgamesh cannot survive operating as Balmung does. The server (Gilgamesh) is simply too hostile and eager to take a bite out of us. The Gilgamesh RPgoal is, to many people (myself included) a hybrid community that basically anyone can be a part of, at any level of roleplaying skill or interest. That means Reddit, Blue Gartr, and any volatile internet community that traditionally spends inordinate lengths of time trying to spoil roleplay for laughs - Gilgamesh's RP crew is going to have to integrate all of them, even while they're crashing our events. If Gilga RP accomplishes this, we will end up with a very different communal attitude - laid back, amused and amusing, and - dare I describe it this way - something closer to RP for bros.
This is a very noble goal, and one that I tip my hat to all of you for striving for. I also, however, feel like this is a distinction that may be a very strong deciding factor for people. I, for one, do not want a server where RP becomes LOL!RP. I know that's not what you meant, but I feel like you are taking on the sacrifice of true quality story-driving RP so that people can get a better impression of RPers than we might have right now. Again, very noble. Just not something I can do. And it may not be something other people can do. I don't know. Then again, maybe some people don't see it as a sacrifice. Maybe it'll turn out that Gilgamesh is the "tavern RP" server. And some people thrive on that. As someone who doesn't, I'm glad that distinction is being made, though, because it is directing me away from Gilgamesh. If it turns out that this IS all about different RP styles, then kudos! I guess we'll just have to find out.
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That is what its about I'm a heavy roleplayer and have always been. Heavy roleplay will have its place as will light roleplay and everything else in between.
(08-06-2013, 12:36 PM)Adelpha Wrote: Nobody has done such things on this site in particular. What happens on the beta site is what happens on the beta site and that's it. Please understand that many of us who are heading to Gilgamesh who post -here- primarily are very diplomatic in talking about the pros and cons of both. Its not something new its something that we have always done. Slandering Balmung is not part of our interests. Its certainly not mine as I have friends going there and it was my original server choice.(08-06-2013, 05:49 AM)Yeldir Melfusor Wrote: Ashren, we are not "bad guests" for wanting to start a new community on Gilgamesh. The powers that be are not going to step in to right the great wrong, because no one's wrong, here. Everyone's going to do what they enjoy most. Every new player who rolls Balmung because they want an established community is as good and right as every person who comes to Gilgamesh for the uphill battle of forging a new one.With all due respect, I think that your OP in your Beta forum thread doesn't convey this point of view at all. To me, it comes across as populist-style propaganda against Balmung, citing a list of supposed reasons why no one -- new and returning players alike -- should ever want to play on Balmung:
"The fresh, perky new RP server!" (Balmung is old, tired, and worn out.)
"Are you a storyteller? Do you want to try new things, themes, and spin a different kind of tale from the usual kill-the-wolf, avenge-my-father, I-was-molested-as-an-elf-child, dark-magick-made-me-do-it jibberjabber? Perhaps you've seen enough of that on some other server?" (This seems to be directly implying that the quality of RP and/or player-crafted stories on Balmung is poor, and Gilgamesh will somehow be better in this regard. I have no idea what the basis for this is.)
"Then, do you want to come back to your home city and throw a celebratory in-character bash people will actually attend, because they like that sort of thing? I hope you've got one of those 50-in-every-class/job legacy characters to return to, 'cause those guys will have the raid content nuked so fast your head will spin. If you don't have an all-50's juggernaut waiting for 2.0, your choice is clear." (As said before, this entire thing -- if it's even a real issue at all -- will be moot in a few months. Personally, I only have two 50s, and a lot of fresh players will be 50 and pushing towards endgame content before early access is even over. I think this is a pretty short-sighted thing to cause a schism over.)
"[Balmung is] all well and good, if you want a pecking order in place when you arrive." (I have no idea what this is referring to. Is there a "pecking order," as in people who are in charge or hold an authority over others? Not that I've ever seen. And those that do try to assume a position of "RP authority" generally get seen for what they are, laughed at, and ignored. I've never seen this happen, either to myself or anyone else. Asserting this fact to new/undecided players seems intentionally deceptive and serves only to create animosity between the two server communities.)
"Your choice is a no-brainer. You don't want to be the small fry in a pond full of legacy whoppers." (Same as before.)
This basically reads to me as "Balmung's okay...if you want to be insignificant in the community, shunned, left in the dust, and ignored by elitists." None of which, I believe, is true. I understand that it's written as an advertisement which by nature are one-sided, but I dislike it for the same reason that I dislike political attack ads. It may be technically true (or not), but the effect on the community's health is a net negative regardless of the intent behind it.
I'm all for supporting the Gilgamesh community for people who truly want to start a new community and/or get a fresh start. I could list off a relatively level-headed list of pros and cons for both servers, to help new players make as educated and informed of a decision as possible. But one-sided advertisements like this feel sort of dishonest and mean-spirited. We're all on the same side, here; why does this need to become so hostile?
That's all. We should be helping people find the place that's a best fit for them in a forthright manner, and both sides should have the integrity to not slander competing servers. (It depresses me that I can even call them that.) It's role-play in a video game, that's all. Let's help people figure out where they might be happiest, and put aside our personal agendas long enough to do that.
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Lets not throw everyone into the same pot yes? It would be bad if we took some who have openly slammed or passive aggressively bullied players going to Gilgamesh instead of Balmung as representatives of the entire Balmung rp community wouldn't it? That would be just as wrong. Especially since it isn't the truth at all.
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People are excited and passionate and sometimes say things they shouldn't. It happens, things like this bring up heated conversation and I am sure that everyone has good intentions even if such intentions are not always written in the most welcoming of language.
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But I will also reiterate that we all are a community nobody is trying to stop anyone from going anywhere. Speaking for myself digging up my post history will show that I am pro rp community more than anything and not pro rp server. I don't feel that any server is better than the other. I only care about roleplayers playing in the same game. That's it. For me to be pro server is a bit weird. Your destination should not matter here, only the fact that you are genuinely interested in roleplaying. At least that's my opinion on it.
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Lets honestly not even have this conversation. We have enough issues already.
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