(08-06-2013, 01:47 PM)Yeldir Melfusor Wrote: Adelpha, I am genuinely surprised that you took away what you did from that post. It was intended to capture the excitement of starting anew. I am beginning to think that post was badly written, in particular, how I phrased the legacy whoppers bit. That was directed at achievement oriented gamers who want to race to 50 on a fresh server, but the grammar is unclear. It almost looks like I was implying that would affect roleplay quality in some way, which is absurd.I read that thread, actually. I'm surprised that you're surprised--most of the people who responded in that advertising thread took it the same way. That is, negatively.
Yet, I need to say:
There is nothing in that post that was intended as an attack on Balmung. You are filling in blanks I left blank because they are blank. Some other server is any server someone is dissatisfied with. Probably the worst thing I said about Balmung is that it has a pecking order. It does. That's a benefit to the kind of people who want to start out on Balmung - the kind of people who want a strong established community with well-understood rules and self-policies.  It's a detriment to people who want an unformed and uncertain environment and the opportunity to shape the community they are in. Both of these attitudes are "right", in their own, way, and neither of them are wrong.
Every new player who decides to move to Balmung, I think, is making a decision they will be satisfied with, and it will be a good decision. Balmung is a good server, with a strong, established community. I have said this very thing in that same thread you've lifted my statements from, and I stand by them.
Also from that thread:
"If you're a roleplayer, you know exactly what kind of pecking order I'm hinting at. You type brb ooc at the wrong gala, and suddenly you're on The Blacklist. This is incredibly destructive, socially. If you haven't seen this in action personally, ask around."
I don't personally know any of the "Legacy players," which I assume is a term for the older members of Balmung. However, what I keep seeing on various other forums makes me think that many of proponents of starting a new RP server and moving people to a new RP server are doing it because they just don't like some of the people on Balmung, and there's no better reason than that.
Here's a quote from the leader of one of Gilgamesh's more prominent guilds:
"We were initially going Balmung, but we've had a few bad experiences with the Legacy players though. So, we're talking it over again.
"There will be a full character wipe after beta three ends anyway, so we just need to sort it out before B4. Gilgamesh is starting to look like a quite viable option."
I feel like both sides have something to consider from this.
From what I've seen, people on this site have been nothing but friendly and helpful to us newbies. I didn't pay attention to who in particular, though many of those folks were staff here, so I'd say a lot of those helpful folks were from Balmung.
Well, I don't know who on Balmung has been giving "Legacy players" a bad name, but you guys need to keep up the good work, and don't fall into bad habits. Evidently you upset some people at some point, and if you let bad habits drive new players off of Balmung, then let's face it--Balmung will turn into a stale relic.
Not to mention that the last thing any of us need is a further divided FFXIV RP community.
As for Gilgamesh folks, the "Legacy players" won't even be in the majority when the servers open. New roleplayers will rule the roost, and we'll have to all get along. The idea of a pecking order, and a server run by bullies, is not only ridiculous, but I've seen the same things said about Gilgamesh's LS community.
It's all stone-throwing, and it's kinda silly.
To those of you who are just going to Gilgamesh and encouraging others to go because you don't like some of the older players, or are afraid of them, do you think that's wise? Is it wise to run from a whole server because of a few jerks? Well, Gilgamesh is bound to have its share of jerks, all things considered.
So if that's why you weren't happy on Balmung, you won't be happy on Gilgamesh either.
I'll echo the tired sentiment of "why can't we all just get along?" but only because it's pretty clear that we aren't.