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01-11-2014, 04:17 PM
(01-11-2014, 02:20 PM)Naunet Wrote: Honestly, fuck the lore wherever it disallows a player from roleplaying a class you can choose to be in-game. Restricting the lore behind jobs such that only ONE SPESHUL SNOWFLAKE UBER GUY/LADY can become them is quite seriously the dumbest "lore" move I've ever seen an MMO make and it doesn't deserve being given the time of day.
(01-11-2014, 03:10 PM)Naunet Wrote: It gets absurd when only one person ever is allowed to actually be that class/job, even though the game allows as many people who want to level it to do so.

We have very different opinions on this. I'll spoiler my last post on this topic below if you want to see another viewpoint. 


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Job Opinion PostI think a lot of the grandeur of the FFXIV Jobs is overlooked by the RP community because the lore behind them is inconvenient. But let's break down what the classic FF jobs are in the XIV lore. They are the professions of Legend, many of them lost for thousands of years. They are special snowflakes in their own right, and why shouldn't they be? If everyone could walk around as an Azure Dragoon then there would be absolutely no point in having a beautiful legend and richly crafted lore behind the title. You lose the gravity of the job. Yeah, dude, I got the Godsbow out of the cereal box!


But this debate over what jobs can and can't be used in RP according to lore has no right answer that will satisfy everyone. The undeniable fact is that certain aspects of the game are not RP friendly. Because while the lore in this game is beautiful, there is a huge population of players who will play this game and never know it. Never even care. So the game itself must stand alone without aligning 100% to the lore. A game needs a healer, regardless of whether or not only one such healer should exist in lore. 

I hear a lot people complain about how the story and lore support a lone Hero viewpoint in a Massively Multiplayer game world. But when you think about Final Fantasy, which games come first to mind? FFVII maybe. VI. FFIX. X. XIII. Final Fantasy has a rich tradition of single player games that are small ensemble or singular hero based. All FFXIV is doing is staying true to that tradition. They're keeping to the wonderful hero-based storylines that captivated us and made us raging FF lunatic fans in the first place. I honestly believe, if they had not done the lore in this way, (which I personally believe FFXIV has some of the most wonderful lore) the game would really feel just like any other MMO and not a Final Fantasy MMO. But maybe that's just me?



(01-11-2014, 03:14 PM)Ami Wrote: As for dragoons, the way a buddy and I rp'd it (and I still do, since he's left the game seemingly permanently), is that there are more than one Dragoons.  Doing the quests in Coerthas proves this.  There is, however, only one Azure Dragoon (special snowflake for the PC).  Neither of us were such.  We were chosen to be dragoons, but aren't uber-uber dragoons.

Actually really glad you brought this up! I had almost forgotten. There is a distinction between dragoon and Azure Dragoon that I forgot to mention in my post. I should edit that to make that more clear and not confuse people. 

There are lots of "Dragoons" in Ishgard. It's the title given to any Knight of Ishgard that slays a dragon and can prove it. So yeah, anyone who slays a dragon and brings forth proof to the Holy See will be awarded the honorable title of Dragoon. Now Azure Dragoons are the special snowflakes that are only chosen once a generation by Nidhogg's Eye. 

(01-11-2014, 02:31 PM)Jomoru Wrote: Dragoon of course.. has a much more interesting potential Lore sidestreet. Ishgard could only field one or two Azure Dragoons... but Dravinia could easily field those who call upon the dragon's power without it being stolen.

I think this is an interesting avenue. However, the XIV definition of a Dragoon is Dragon Slayer, not a person who has a dragon's power. So technically having their power still wouldn't make them a dragoon. 

The difference between the Azure Dragoon is that Nidhogg's Eye chooses them and exposes them to the full extent of a dragon's power and influence. The reason Dragoon's must wear the Drachen Mail is so that they do not succumb to this influence. So an Azure Dragoon has the power of the dragons, yes, but it is a weight to bear, not a gift. It strengthen and empowers them, but it also corrupts. As seen in the DRG storyline. But they are first and foremost Dragon Slayers. And Azure Dragoons are destined to defeat Nidhogg. So seeing a Dravanian dragon slayer empowered by Nidhogg's good eye would be a little weird. But it's an interesting route to explore since we get to see very little of the war between Ishgard and Dravania.

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RPing the Jobs - by Seriphyn - 01-11-2014, 01:05 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by LiadansWhisper - 01-11-2014, 01:12 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Seriphyn - 01-11-2014, 01:35 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Tiergan - 01-11-2014, 02:10 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Seriphyn - 01-11-2014, 02:15 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Tiergan - 01-11-2014, 02:54 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Sounsyy - 01-11-2014, 02:16 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Naunet - 01-11-2014, 02:20 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Jomoru - 01-11-2014, 02:31 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Seriphyn - 01-11-2014, 02:53 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Naunet - 01-11-2014, 03:10 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Seriphyn - 01-11-2014, 06:49 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by FreelanceWizard - 01-11-2014, 03:02 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Ildur - 01-11-2014, 03:02 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Aurelie Eleveur - 01-11-2014, 03:14 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Naunet - 01-11-2014, 03:52 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Ildur - 01-11-2014, 03:41 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by LiadansWhisper - 01-11-2014, 04:03 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Sounsyy - 01-11-2014, 04:17 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Naunet - 01-11-2014, 04:57 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Ildur - 01-11-2014, 06:01 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Sounsyy - 01-11-2014, 06:48 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Ildur - 01-11-2014, 07:36 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Naunet - 01-11-2014, 07:50 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by LiadansWhisper - 01-11-2014, 09:09 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Ildur - 01-11-2014, 11:34 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by LiadansWhisper - 01-11-2014, 11:41 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Zazalan - 01-12-2014, 07:55 AM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by LiadansWhisper - 01-12-2014, 03:39 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Zazalan - 01-12-2014, 04:48 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by LiadansWhisper - 01-12-2014, 05:00 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by synaesthetic - 01-12-2014, 05:22 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by CalebAgron - 01-12-2014, 05:37 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by LiadansWhisper - 01-12-2014, 07:41 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by CalebAgron - 01-12-2014, 09:11 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by LiadansWhisper - 01-12-2014, 10:03 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by ArmachiA - 01-12-2014, 04:52 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Asgarn - 01-11-2014, 05:01 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by raindrops - 01-11-2014, 06:56 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Seriphyn - 01-11-2014, 07:36 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Ildur - 01-11-2014, 08:02 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by LiadansWhisper - 01-11-2014, 09:10 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Edgar - 01-11-2014, 07:44 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Naunet - 01-11-2014, 08:07 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by synaesthetic - 01-11-2014, 08:26 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Sounsyy - 01-11-2014, 08:33 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by TheLastCandle - 01-11-2014, 09:28 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Naunet - 01-11-2014, 10:08 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Sophia_Grave - 01-11-2014, 10:29 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Naunet - 01-11-2014, 10:35 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Seriphyn - 01-12-2014, 12:00 AM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by TheLastCandle - 01-12-2014, 12:43 AM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Sounsyy - 01-12-2014, 12:45 AM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Tla - 01-12-2014, 04:57 AM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Sounsyy - 01-12-2014, 12:38 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Tla - 01-12-2014, 01:36 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by TheLastCandle - 01-12-2014, 12:03 AM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by synaesthetic - 01-12-2014, 12:28 AM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by TheLastCandle - 01-12-2014, 12:33 AM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by synaesthetic - 01-12-2014, 12:37 AM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by ArmachiA - 01-12-2014, 05:01 AM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Rosekitten - 01-12-2014, 06:02 AM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Tiergan - 01-12-2014, 06:52 AM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by synaesthetic - 01-12-2014, 07:08 AM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Tiergan - 01-12-2014, 01:42 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by CalebAgron - 01-12-2014, 10:33 AM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by LandStander - 01-12-2014, 05:29 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by synaesthetic - 01-12-2014, 05:34 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by LandStander - 01-12-2014, 11:27 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Zazalan - 01-12-2014, 09:06 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by ArmachiA - 01-12-2014, 09:16 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by John Spiegel - 01-12-2014, 09:43 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Naunet - 01-12-2014, 09:59 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by LiadansWhisper - 01-12-2014, 10:06 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Naunet - 01-13-2014, 01:49 AM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by John Spiegel - 01-12-2014, 10:13 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Zazalan - 01-12-2014, 10:40 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by synaesthetic - 01-12-2014, 09:58 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by LiadansWhisper - 01-12-2014, 10:11 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by synaesthetic - 01-12-2014, 10:12 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by LiadansWhisper - 01-12-2014, 10:26 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Ildur - 01-13-2014, 04:24 AM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by FreelanceWizard - 01-12-2014, 10:27 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Cato - 01-12-2014, 10:41 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by TheLastCandle - 01-12-2014, 10:49 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Kieron Lohengrin - 01-12-2014, 11:29 PM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by ArmachiA - 01-13-2014, 03:10 AM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by ArmachiA - 01-13-2014, 04:42 AM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by LiadansWhisper - 01-13-2014, 06:19 AM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Clover - 01-13-2014, 06:24 AM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Tiergan - 01-13-2014, 08:23 AM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Norna - 01-13-2014, 09:14 AM
RE: RPing the Jobs - by Ashscarred - 01-13-2014, 10:06 AM
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