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(01-13-2014, 01:49 AM)Naunet Wrote: It sounded a lot to me that you were letting your OOC refusal to acknowledge WHM players as possible to affect your character's potential acceptance (or, rather, lack of acceptance) of a white mage character. What if your character and the white mage went on some adventure during which something happened, or multiple somethings happened or who knows what that made it beyond clear that said character was a white mage? Would your character still deny it?
She might. Â It honestly depends. Â Liadan is extremely stubborn. Â She might even take severe offense - after all, she's Forestborn, and if the WHM in question isn't Padjal or Gridanian at all, there's the idea that perhaps the magic was "stolen" and why are the Padjal giving this information to dirty outsiders (yes, my character is xenophobic). Â It would depend on a number of factors, including how it was presented to her, who it was that presented it to her, what happened when it was presented, as well as where she was at the time and what her mindset was. Â In short - I can't say definitively that she'd never accept it, but I can say that it would be very, very difficult to convince her. Â And even if you did, you'd have to convince her that you were a person who should have knowledge of such power - which would be even more difficult for her to accept if you weren't native Gridanian.
Quote:That's what I'm talking about. That your OOC feelings might lead to a rather unbelievable continual of refusal of that aspect of someone else's character.
My character is allowed to have opinions. Â People can (and actually have) abjectly refuse to believe something they've seen with their own eyes, if it violates their sense of reality - what is and is not, what can be and cannot be.
But seriously, what "might be" is kind of a spurious reason to accuse me of meta-gaming. Â If you really had such a high opinion of me, I don't know why you'd jump to the conclusion that because my character has this opinion, I'd cheat and ignore RP. Â Which is what meta-gaming is - it's cheating. And it's a really sore point with me for someone to call me a meta-gamer because I used to sanction players who cheated. Â Repeatedly. Â I've even ejected them from games before, because it was against the rules. Â And I absolutely despise cheating of any sort.
Quote:I'm sorry I made you angry, especially as I've always held you in a high regard and hate that I've ruined how you may think of me.
Well, I'm pretty hurt that you think I'm a cheater, but in the grand scheme of things, this is just people on the internet. Â I'm not that broken up by it - and you shouldn't be broken up by the fact that I got mad at you. Â I'm just a random person on the internet and in the end, my opinion doesn't matter much at all. Â Besides, I find it basically impossible to hold a grudge.
(01-13-2014, 04:24 AM)Ildur Wrote: Do not oversimplify the posture and, more importantly, do not confuse correlation with causation. We are not choosing to ignore this bit of lore "because we don't like it", but because it's inconsistent with the gameplay and incoherent with the genre. I can make a White Mage, you can make a White Mage, anyone can make a White Mage. We all get specific skills unique to each Job. Mechanically, we all can be White Mages. The lore has no business telling us that we can't be White Mages because we can. Gameplay is our empirical demostration of it. I reject (this bit of) lore because it is not coherent . And because of this incoherency I don't like it.
Is my dislike of the lore correlated to my rejection? Yes. Is my dislike of the lore cause of my rejection? No. And what is the correlation between my dislike and my rejection? Their common cause: that it makes no sense.
Okay...but you're still saying, "I'm ignoring the Lore because I don't agree with it." Â Which is essentially the same thing, just reworded a bit. Â You don't like or agree with (take your pick) something in Lore. Â Your reasoning for disliking/disagreeing with the Lore is really neither here nor there - the end result is the same. Â In your opinion, the Lore doesn't make sense. Â Because of this, you are ignoring it. Â But, that's still your opinion. Â And you're still ignoring Lore because you don't like it.
Quote:I have no idea what you are reading on Naunet's post that makes you think she's demanding acceptance on an In-character level from the beginning. What I got from her post was the following:
The acceptance she is 'demanding' is in the hypothetical case of being given proof. Which would be akin to asking people to accept that she is a Biochemist (spoilers: she might not be one.) after showing them a proof of some sort. The specifics of this proof aren't particularly important. The important thing is if there is such a thing as 'enough proof' for the character to accept that Eric Generic is a <Insert Job here>. And what Naunet was sad about was that she felt Liadan was rejecting any possibility of potential proof, not because it was the in character thing to do, but because of the OOC knowledge she has about the White Mage lore. You know, as in: "My characters does not accept your proof because the lore says you cannot be <funny caption here>." instead of "My character does not accept your proof because of her background."
Which is, incidentally, what she just said in her last post. So I just repeated what she said and this last paragraph is kind of redundant.
I'm sure that makes me real clever, somehow.
As Arma pointed out, my character is allowed to have opinions. Â That they match up with my OOC feelings is less deliberate choice than a result of actually looking into the Lore and seeing what knowledge would be available for a character of the social strata and background that Liadan is. Â I shouldn't have to qualify my post with, "Oh, but the reason why my character would think you are insane is her background" when I would hope you would...you know...infer that from what is on her Wiki and what I've said previously. Â
But hey! Â Assume the worst about me. Â That's cool, too.
(01-13-2014, 04:42 AM)ArmachiA Wrote: It's her choice though. If her character never accepts people proclaiming to be WHM, regardless of reason, it needs to be accepted. If she isn't actively trying to stop you from rping and is only disagreeing icly, regardless if her reason is ooc, it's really up to her if her character accepts proof or not and not anyone else.
Pretty much. Â And no, I don't really want to stop anyone from RPing. Â I just dread actually running into someone claiming (loudly) to be a WHM. Â Normally conflict-based RP ends up with people angry with me OOCly, and that's stress I don't need at the moment.
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