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K'nahli · **04-01-2015, 04:40 PM**

(04-01-2015, 04:37 PM)Nako Wrote:
(04-01-2015, 04:23 PM)K Wrote: Either the Brass Blades whom are supposedly employed in SERVICE of Ul'dah, and therefore under the supreme command of Raubahn if anyone at all.

Or the Crystal Braves whom, despite having presumably agreed to certain privileges upon their authority to act and have a presence within the three nations, are currently in absence of their commander, Alphinaud, and have no right to act upon taking such a serious and influential figure into custody without his approval.
Brass blades are employed by Lolorito, not Ul'dah. He simply has them perform the acts of peacekeeping, albeit in a corrupt way. But they take their q from him, not the Syndicate.

only the 1st and 3rd are there presently, and are under the influence of Teledji Adelejdi again, taking their q's from him, not Alphinaud.

The Brass Blades part makes a bit more sense then I guess.

As for the Crystal Brave's part, I know what was going on, but I was speaking from the perspective that the other two leaders should have recognised that if the Crystal Braves were handling the authority side of this issue(which I am now guessing they were not really), then they were acting far beyond their jurisdiction given the person they had intended to apprehend.

Sounsyy · **04-01-2015, 04:41 PM**

(04-01-2015, 04:30 PM)Intaki Wrote:
(04-01-2015, 04:00 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: I don't see where it doesn't apply?
When Merlwyb needs help defending Limsa, she asks the Scions and the Scions come to help.

When the Scions need help defending Ishgard, they ask Merlwyb and suddenly she's got better things to do.

Yeah... defending Limsa Lominsa. Her stated first priority is to Limsa, then the Alliance, then to others. Guess who falls under others... the Scions.

So I'm still not seeing where her speech doesn't apply? She probably would've asked the Company of Heroes if they were still around or just went in and sent a 1000 Storm soldiers to their death if the Scions had said "lol no." She still would've got the job done to protect Limsa. But when you have an organization dedicated to Primal killing... it makes sense to call the organization dedicated to Primal killing... right? She valued the lives of a 1000 Storm soldiers over the lives of 2 Scions... I don't see where this isn't putting Limsa first?

I mean sure, it seems pretty underhanded. You help me but I won't help you unless it benefits me. But that's how the city-states have been. Have always been. You guys gotta remember that this alliance is only 5 years old, and only recently really started trusting each other... one year ago. Their own interests have always come first.

Hell, the youngest of all of the Eorzean city-states is Gridania at 500 years old, and NONE of these city-states even traded with one another until 100 years ago. These people have a 400-900 year history of warring with each other... They aren't going to just abandon that and be buddy-buddy in a 5 year period. As for Merlwyb, she's the daughter of one of the greatest Pirate Kings to have ever terrorized the Five Seas. Her first mate is Mistbeard. She's had a fleet of ships under her command since she was a little girl. I think I can forgive her for being a bit of a self-serving hard ass. Pirate Queen is in her blood after all.

K'nahli · **04-01-2015, 04:45 PM**

(04-01-2015, 04:39 PM)Intaki Wrote: I'm not talking about aiding Ishgard, I'm talking about aiding the Scions. Ishgard is incidental to the main point: Limsa was more than happy to receive the aid of the Scions, but when the time came to return the favor(s) they bailed out.

In any case, the dismantlement of the Scions will hopefully be a nice rude awakening for Gridania, Limsa, and Ul'dah; with no one to pull their asses out of the fire anymore they might have to actually put effort into their mutual alliances.

Ah, I apologise. I see what you were getting at now though I think I am with everyone else for the concept that it wasn't really a "bad" thing on her part; certainly no more than any of the other leaders - even if she had been the once to voice the priorities she they have.

Kage · **04-01-2015, 04:49 PM**

(04-01-2015, 04:39 PM)Intaki Wrote: I'm not talking about aiding Ishgard, I'm talking about aiding the Scions. Ishgard is incidental to the main point: Limsa was more than happy to receive the aid of the Scions, but when the time came to return the favor(s) they bailed out.

Exactly my point. The Ishgardians didn't help the Scions much either when they asked for help. Alphinaud even points out how the Ishgardians balked when they ask for help against the Dravanian hordes. Every leader is like this most of the time. They want what is best for themselves (country) which is putting x city-state first. The Scions have been stated to be the ones against the primal threat. Why wouldn't she go to them? Her best weapon against primals?

Ryanti · **04-01-2015, 04:51 PM**

Somehow I have the feeling that by expansion, Ishguard will be more of an ally to the Scions than Eorzea as a whole would.

Perhaps Gridania will follow (Because there's no way in hell Kan-E will not be a complete angel to the main character and others), but I'm not so sure about Limsa.. especially after Merlwyb completely and utterly decided to abandon Raubahn despite the fact that uhh.. she had a gun.

Once again, emphasizing this, she had a gun on her.

I'm quite bitter over that. Eorzea seems like it takes two steps back every time it takes one step forward. The whole planet is probably laughing at them right now.

Kage · **04-01-2015, 04:53 PM**

Raubahn committed murder. In a place that expressly forbids Syndicate members from drawing. No matter how right or wrong he was to do so... HE WAS ACTING THE CRIMINAL.

If she did anything to help Raubahn she'd be fucked upside a creek with no paddle.

Aya · **04-01-2015, 04:53 PM**

(04-01-2015, 04:51 PM)Ryanti Wrote: Once again, emphasizing this, she had a gun on her.

And that gun could very well have started a general Eorzean war.Â The Admiral knows that she will have to deal with whoever winds up in power in Ul'dah.Â She cannot determine that outcome (and were she to try she would be met with immense resistance in both her city-state, and the one she were meddling in).Â She made the prudent decision in staying her hand Smile

Sounsyy · **04-01-2015, 04:57 PM**

(04-01-2015, 04:51 PM)Ryanti Wrote: especially after Merlwyb completely and utterly decided to abandon Raubahn despite the fact that uhh.. she had a gun.

A foreign dignitary murdering a Syndicate member in cold blood at a peace banquet - having no proof of said Syndicate member's guilt and also having no jurisdiction. That sounds like a great way to go to war lol.

Ryanti · **04-01-2015, 05:00 PM**

Still awkward that they all just sat there while everyone was murdering each other.

I would of at least tried to stop the violence.

Meena · **04-01-2015, 05:05 PM**

(04-01-2015, 05:00 PM)Ryanti Wrote: Still awkward that they all just sat there while everyone was murdering each other.

I would of at least tried to stop the violence.

To of acted would of colored Limsa in involving themselves in Ul'Dah's political issues.

Kage · **04-01-2015, 05:06 PM**

(04-01-2015, 05:00 PM)Ryanti Wrote: Still awkward that they all just sat there while everyone was murdering each other.

I would of at least tried to stop the violence.

Stopping who? How? Getting yourself hurt? Hurting -another ruling body member-? You, a leader of a complete city-state getting involved in another country's domestic issues? Not good as a diplomatic maneuver.

Could be even seen as trying to get Limsa to conquer Ul'dah maneuver.

Edit: I believe the case was made, yes if she had more than on Maelstrom member (same with Gridanian guard), they could have put it without more violence and destroying the victory feast halls... but they didn't. They have to let the domestics and those they call on for help do it.

V'aleera · **04-01-2015, 05:06 PM**

Eh, what's done is done. They acted in their own self-interest and the only thing they have to show for it is the loss of the Scions, the loss of the WoL, and probably the loss of Ul'dah as a dependable political ally. And this all while the beast tribes are STILL active and presumably still summoning primals.

Was it a good political decision? Maybe. But it was a pretty short-sighted one.

Also, I feel like people are ignoring the fact that the three leaders could have pretty easily concocted a story that wholly justified their actions. Assuming Lolorito would have died, who exactly would have stood against them?

Zyrusticae · **04-01-2015, 05:09 PM**

(04-01-2015, 05:05 PM)Meena Wrote:
(04-01-2015, 05:00 PM)Ryanti Wrote: Still awkward that they all just sat there while everyone was murdering each other.

I would have at least tried to stop the violence.
To have acted would of colored Limsa in involving themselves in Ul'Dah's political issues.

FTFY.

Also this is a really, really fundamental mistake that I'm seeing more and more often on the internet to the point where it is physically painful every time I read it. I'm going to have to come up with some kind of macro for this or something...

Edgar · **04-01-2015, 05:14 PM**

Quote:Once again, emphasizing this,Â she had a gun on her.

The best gunslingers don't have guns because they know when to use them.

The best gunslingers know when not to.

allgivenover · **04-01-2015, 05:17 PM**

(04-01-2015, 05:00 PM)Ryanti Wrote: Still awkward that they all just sat there while everyone was murdering each other.

I would of at least tried to stop the violence.

Stopping the violence would've meant acting against Raubahn. He basically murdered someone for mockery.

It was clear Merlwyb was not happy walking away from that.

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