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Twinflame · **12-12-2013, 05:47 PM**

Of course it's all in the delivery.

Quote:I'm not sure I'm comfortable with ignoring everything that happens in the next patch until the patchÂ after that. Â I like being involved, not waiting and waiting. Â :-P

This is actually kind of my point. And by 'kind of' I mean 'exactly'. But you shouldn't RP that the story elements of that patch are complete and finished until the next patch is released to continue the story, which is when SE completes and finishes them. Otherwise you're disallowing other people you come in contact with to make those events a plot point in their own RP, because to you, they are in the past.

Aysun · **12-12-2013, 06:19 PM**

As the back-and-forth in this thread clearly shows, it varies from RPer to RPer. Some might have already decided it's no longer the Umbral era once they completed the storyline. Some are going to wait til 2.1 and assume it's passed. Personally I'm probably going to be waiting until the first major expansion to be released before assuming anything in the current main scenario has happened, unless something blatant in game changes (for example, in 1.0 we could not ignore the passage of time due to Dalamud growing closer).

There will never be a set date IC for everyone, I think. If the exact time period is extremely important to your storylines, then agreeing upon it withing your LS/RP circle would be advantageous, but don't expect the rest of the community to agree on it.

raindrops · **12-12-2013, 06:39 PM**

(12-12-2013, 06:19 PM)Aysun Wrote: There will never be a set date IC for everyone, I think. If the exact time period is extremely important to your storylines, then agreeing upon it withing your LS/RP circle would be advantageous, but don't expect the rest of the community to agree on it.

This. I generally play from before the Ultima Weapon ultimatum was made (or at least before it became widespread knowledge that something was going down, because I like the conflicts that the stalemate of sorts between the Eorzean Alliance and the Garlean Empire can cause and I want a chance to play in that environment before updating. Personally I feel like we've not had much of a chance to see how the announcement of peacetime has changed the world yes, and I'm hoping 2.1 gives us more insight on that. Once we hit 2.1 I'll probably update to however things start out in 2.1, and so on.

But honestly, if someone played from a different point I'd probably switch to accommodate that whenever I was playing with them and then switch back. It's bad form in a consistency sense, I know, but making sure everyone has fun is more important than that.

Anstarra · **12-12-2013, 06:48 PM**

(12-12-2013, 06:19 PM)Aysun Wrote: As the back-and-forth in this thread clearly shows, it varies from RPer to RPer. Some might have already decided it's no longer the Umbral era once they completed the storyline. Some are going to wait til 2.1 and assume it's passed. Personally I'm probably going to be waiting until the first major expansion to be released before assuming anything in the current main scenario has happened, unless something blatant in game changes (for example, in 1.0 we could not ignore the passage of time due to Dalamud growing closer).

There will never be a set date IC for everyone, I think. If the exact time period is extremely important to your storylines, then agreeing upon it withing your LS/RP circle would be advantageous, but don't expect the rest of the community to agree on it.

Yes, exactly this. Because everyone's RP experience is distinct! Getting all RPers to agree on a single 'truth' would require S-E stepping out and declaring official canon. The reason that will simple: there already IS a canonical storyline. And it's completely at odds with a roleplaying environment.

It's literally impossible for us to all act as if the Main Story is Our Personal Story. One option I've seen tossed out is the idea of the role of our character being assigned to a Nameless Hero, much like in the Elder Scrolls and some other games. This unique individual would be the one who took our specific role, and did all that stuff.. which would mean that the current time, RP-wise, would be taking place post-content.

The problem with that, of course, is that some of us WANT to have taken part in the main story. I've seen the Grand Companies put forth as another hero figure. Using them allows us to declare that GROUPS of heroic individuals defeated all the evil and so on, which allows us to say, for instance, 'I was part of the Operation Archon strike force'. And equally allows others to say they weren't.

Of course now we come back to the actual topical problem, timeline. Some players want to live pre-Archon, others in post. This, inevitably, will never be something universally agreed-upon. Though personally I find RPing in the pre-final-events stretch to be more realistic from a 'feel-of-the-world' point of view, I see nothing wrong with those who want to do otherwise. The only problem is when worldviews collide, and people are too stubborn to compromise. Then you have long, drawn-out, in-brackets arguments about why no you can't be working for so and so because he's dead or hasn't come back or bla bla bla.

I recommend avoiding story content when dealing with others, unless you know they're on the same page as you. RP is fluid. Entirely oppositional viewpoints CAN mesh together as long as you're clever enough.

The point is to have fun, remember! Not to be RIGHT! Don't get mad at someone because they don't share your opinion! That's a childish thing to do, and we're all adults here ;3

LiadansWhisper · **12-12-2013, 07:35 PM**

(12-12-2013, 05:47 PM)Twinflame Wrote: This is actually kind of my point. And by 'kind of' I mean 'exactly'. But you shouldn't RP that the story elements of that patch are complete and finished until the next patch is released to continue the story, which is when SE completes and finishes them. Otherwise you're disallowing other people you come in contact with to make those events a plot point in their own RP, because to you, they are in the past.

But...why?

Why does me setting my character story in the aftermath of the first part of the storyline completely preclude another person using those events as a plot point in their own RP?

I don't control anyone else's RP. Â I can't tell someone, "You can't use that because it hasn't happened yet," and I also can't tell someone, "You can't use that because my RP has already used that and I'm not going to share."

Especially in the case of characters who are not a direct part of the main storyline at all, I don't see why there has to be any conflict. Â It's not like this comes up in average conversation, and if there ever was a conflict (i.e. one player is using info up to Point A, while the other player is using info up to Point B), couldn't you just...you know...gloss over it? Â I mean, it's happy pretend fun times. Â Can't we just find a way around it instead of saying, "You must RP in this manner or you can't include others"? Â o_O

(12-12-2013, 06:19 PM)Aysun Wrote: As the back-and-forth in this thread clearly shows, it varies from RPer to RPer. Some might have already decided it's no longer the Umbral era once they completed the storyline. Some are going to wait til 2.1 and assume it's passed. Personally I'm probably going to be waiting until the first major expansion to be released before assuming anything in the current main scenario has happened, unless something blatant in game changes (for example, in 1.0 we could not ignore the passage of time due to Dalamud growing closer).

I know this is off-topic, BUT...is anyone else still confused about whether it's supposedly an Astral or Umbral Era? Â And how can someone just declare an Umbral Era "over"? Â I mean, it seems like we have a lot more conflicting to do, and I thought conflict was the hallmark of an Umbral Era (whereas an Astral Era was a period marked by general peace).

Quote:There will never be a set date IC for everyone, I think. If the exact time period is extremely important to your storylines, then agreeing upon it withing your LS/RP circle would be advantageous, but don't expect the rest of the community to agree on it.

Yeah, but I also think people can be flexible in their actual RP actions, too. Â If, for instance, I'm playing that Ultima is rampaging around eating Primals and you, as you've said, aren't really counting any of the current storyline events in your RP, I don't see why that would preclude us from interacting solely on that point alone. Â As long as everyone is willing to be flexible, I mean.

(12-12-2013, 06:39 PM)raindrops Wrote: This. I generally play from before the Ultima Weapon ultimatum was made (or at least before it became widespread knowledge that something was going down,

Another random side question: Did the Ultima Weapon ultimatum ever become common knowledge? Â I'm still curious...

Quote:because I like the conflicts that the stalemate of sorts between the Eorzean Alliance and the Garlean Empire can cause and I want a chance to play in that environment before updating. Personally I feel like we've not had much of a chance to see how the announcement of peacetime has changed the world yes, and I'm hoping 2.1 gives us more insight on that. Once we hit 2.1 I'll probably update to however things start out in 2.1, and so on.

But honestly, if someone played from a different point I'd probably switch to accommodate that whenever I was playing with them and then switch back. It's bad form in a consistency sense, I know, but making sure everyone has fun is more important than that.

Those are other good points, and I'm actually really excited to see how the Garleans react to what has happened (or if the Empire itself will react at all, as opposed to the Garleans already in Eorzea, who appear somewhat cut off from their home?). Â But, I don't think that it's bad form to just gloss over the time period differences. Â Like you said, having fun is the most important thing and something as petty as a time period conflict shouldn't keep people from RPing together.

Seriphyn · **12-12-2013, 07:40 PM**

Quote:I recommend avoiding story content when dealing with others, unless you know they're on the same page as you.Â

This seems helpful. I know for my Immortal Flames LS, we will be RPing post-Archon.

LandStander · **12-12-2013, 07:52 PM**

I personally probably will not be updating anything until the first expansion. I do play a lot of Garlean characters and this topic kind of strikes home. If during a plot someone references it I might just roll with it. I just find that updating the story will basically cut out any RP that you can do with those two dungeons and anyone who wanted to add that bit to their RP. So I an with Raindrops on this one and just going to jump around if needed, and do my best to never bring it up in the first place to avoid conflict.Â

As far as the whole astral and umbral era thing...

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Naunet · **12-12-2013, 07:56 PM**

(12-12-2013, 07:35 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: I know this is off-topic, BUT...is anyone else still confused about whether it's supposedly an Astral or Umbral Era? Â And how can someone just declare an Umbral Era "over"? Â I mean, it seems like we have a lot more conflicting to do, and I thought conflict was the hallmark of an Umbral Era (whereas an Astral Era was a period marked by general peace).

Lol yes, I thought it was absolutely absurd when I saw that cutscene. I mean, seriously? Host a celebration and wave your hands and wooo poof, it's an Astral era? From a storytelling perspective, they better get a reality check soon and acknowledge that they were way too quick to declare a time shift, or... well, or it's just not that great of storytelling. xD

raindrops · **12-12-2013, 07:56 PM**

I imagine that around the time Operation Archon was announced it'd be pretty widespread knowledge that the Gaeleans had done something to spur the Alliance into action with such sudden haste. That said, I doubt the specifics would be widely known and I certainly doubt anyone but the scions and the main character would know how close the Alliance actually came to giving in.

Kieron Lohengrin · **12-12-2013, 08:45 PM**

The story continued in Coil, which Alisaie recruited you to investigate after Operation Archon. She specifically mentions it during the cutscene where she asks for your help.

And even before that, the Scion dialogue during the primal hardmode quests' cutscenes also indicate that the HM battles take place after the fall of the Praetorium. So it's always been post-Operation Archon.

LiadansWhisper · **12-12-2013, 08:50 PM**

(12-12-2013, 08:45 PM)Kieron Lohengrin Wrote: The story continued in Coil, which Alisaie recruited you to investigate after Operation Archon. She specifically mentions it during the cutscene where she asks for your help.

And even before that, the Scion dialogue during the primal hardmode quests' cutscenes also indicate that the HM battles take place after the fall of the Praetorium. So it's always been post-Operation Archon.

I think people are saying they're ignoring those fights and saying they have not happened yet. Â Essentially, either the story didn't happen yet at all, or some people are stopping at CM and not going further.

Jana · **12-12-2013, 08:56 PM**

I personally prefer to "follow the endgame." The Praetorium is the end of the "main" story quests in ARR, but all of the endgame grinding is being done on battle that have been stated to take place after it. In TERA, which was brought up earlier, the endgame dungeon to grind was the same as the main story's end during the Argon War patch, so I played there very differently. That really isn't the case here, though!

While I'm sure there are some ARR roleplayers who haven't reached 50 for one reason or another, I think most of them will have already cleared those story scenarios as well.

Naunet · **12-12-2013, 09:02 PM**

As someone whose RP is very closely tied to the Empire's machinations, it takes a lot of RP opportunity away from me to just RP as though the whole thing has already occurred. That, and the explanations I've given earlier in this thread, are the biggies as to why I don't consider anything Ultima weapon and beyond to have actually resolved yet. Why wouldn't we want a chance to RP the Garlean Empire as a clear and present, near-overwhelming danger? That's a hugeÂ plot arc that, if we only start RP post-Archon, gets completely overlooked.

LiadansWhisper · **12-12-2013, 09:16 PM**

(12-12-2013, 09:02 PM)Naunet Wrote: As someone whose RP is very closely tied to the Empire's machinations, it takes a lot of RP opportunity away from me to just RP as though the whole thing has already occurred. That, and the explanations I've given earlier in this thread, are the biggies as to why I don't consider anything Ultima weapon and beyond to have actually resolved yet. Why wouldn't we want a chance to RP the Garlean Empire as a clear and present, near-overwhelming danger? That's a hugeÂ plot arc that, if we only start RP post-Archon, gets completely overlooked.

I think because of the statements released that were along the lines that the Garlean Empire is going to again be a clear and present, near-overwhelming danger...in future patches.

Ares D'Argent · **12-12-2013, 10:04 PM**

(12-12-2013, 01:55 PM)Naunet Wrote: Yup, as per MMO story-vs-RP standards from past games, once a patch hits that progresses the story, all previous plot kicks in as having happened. So until the 17th, we continue to RP as though Castrum Meridianum and Praetorium have not been hit by the Scions. After the 17th... Well, I guess we have to stop referring to it as an Umbral age.

It's extremely silly, but that's how these things are handled.

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