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Erik Mynhier · **12-02-2014, 03:30 PM**

Monks?

D'aito Kuji · **12-02-2014, 03:32 PM**

(12-02-2014, 03:14 PM)K Wrote:
(12-02-2014, 03:08 PM)Daitokuji Wrote: I've always kind of presumed that Miqo'te females control their own fertility and are only fertile when they want to be, when sufficiently impressed with a Tia or Nuhn, for instance. Â But that's probably a little bit "out there."

What in the world brought you to such a random conclusion?Â *laughs*

I dunno exactly, just the way their tribal societies are structured. Â I was kind of thinking about birds, the way that males have to impress females in order to get them interested, but that's not really the same thing as fertility. Â And Miqo'te have a reputation for hedonism so it seems like they'd have to have some way of controlling fertility but like everyone else said, there's no doubt natural substances in their world that help do so.

I guess that when I read about the Seeker lore in particular, only the breeding male is allowed to mate with select females, that couldn't be the only time Seekers were having sex.

But yeah, why would "tradition" trump biology? Â So just me having dumb thoughts.

Kailia · **12-03-2014, 10:30 AM**

(12-02-2014, 03:13 PM)Aysun Wrote:
(12-02-2014, 03:08 PM)Daitokuji Wrote: I've always kind of presumed that Miqo'te females control their own fertility and are only fertile when they want to be, when sufficiently impressed with a Tia or Nuhn, for instance. Â But that's probably a little bit "out there."

I'd agree that's pretty darn out there, but to each their own! I don't know of any biology in higher-mammals that would allow a female to control her own fertility.

I too do the bitter tea route and use a RNG, since such things are never 100% effective. I just leave details vague since we don't have anything specific in game. XD

Here's a question for ya. How do you roll the RNG? I had found a couple D&D style data's, but I haven't the faintest clue what DC10 and such are lol

K'nahli · **12-03-2014, 10:58 AM**

(12-02-2014, 03:32 PM)Daitokuji Wrote: And Miqo'te have a reputation for hedonism so it seems like they'd have to have some way of controlling fertility

I don't understand what gave you that impression. Just because the tribal structure has the females select only one man - so long as they are not interested in bearing more children further down the line when a new nuhn holds the position - and are expected to restrain any feeling that they may have developed for a non-nuhn, it doesn't mean they are any less like any of the other races in the attraction and sexual aspect; at least I cannot see why it would be suggested otherwise anyways.

It's not as though the females are a nuhn's selection of wines for any evening he feels like drinking. His only true role is to bring offspring into the camp and it would be incredibly unlikely and unwise to impregnate multiple huntresses in a short space of time since that is stealing them from their duties and creating another mouth to feed in some months time.

The way the K tribe here have it work is that a challenging tia must have the support of at least one female before he can make an official challenge against the nuhn. After that it is up to him to earn the favour of further females if inducing multiple births is expected by the elders. Females obviously still have their free will, they make up the majority of any tribes' populations and are incredibly important beyond the aspect of child-bearing so assuming otherwise would be incredibly odd. The only difference between their relationships and "normal" ones that other races have is that they must accept the nuhn's obligation to be a polygamist where possible(assuming that term extends to partners and not just wives).

As far as I have seen, in no-way, shape or form have miqo'te been suggested as more hedonistic than anyone else.

Anyways, that's just assuming tat any of the above was what brought you to that conclusion.

D'aito Kuji · **12-03-2014, 12:35 PM**

You're so right, I stand completely corrected. Â I don't know how I could have ever got my wires so crossed on this important character issue. Â Thanks for pointing all this out for me.

OttoVann · **12-03-2014, 02:22 PM**

Otto's natural contraceptive is sticking to Elezen females for the most part. The devs said a few years ago in the forums that cross-racial breeding is rare as fuck, aka bitter tea will fail first before Otto gets an Elezen pregnant.

Miqo also suffice I suppose.

So theres that.

FreelanceWizard · **12-03-2014, 03:04 PM**

(12-03-2014, 10:58 AM)Knahli Wrote: As far as I have seen, in no-way, shape or form have miqo'te been suggested as more hedonistic than anyone else.

The miqo'te dancing girls in Ul'dah, miqo'te prostitutes in Limsa Lominsa, and so on aren't suggestive in that regard? Smile

In all seriousness, though, I think it seems to be more that there's a stereotype of miqo'te being hedonistic (certainly among RPers) which is, like most stereotypes, not really accurate.

Daitokuji: There's a fairly wide variance in how one can read certain parts of the miqo'te lore. Without reopening some very old arguments, the matter of "how do nunh work in the tribes" is one such example. You'll find that there's a number of different points of view based on the lore we have available and the needs of an individual RPer's story.

Titor · **12-03-2014, 03:08 PM**

Why are most people disregarding my aetheric solution?
Aether is 'natural'. In fact it is what comprises most of life and the elementals in the shroud or whatnot. There is nothing more "natural" than aether.
I am sure any street-vendor would sell a potion of infertility, or be able to cast a spell on it. It would be so much simpler and more effective than using plants or herbs.

Coatleque · **12-03-2014, 03:58 PM**

(12-02-2014, 03:30 PM)Erik Mynhier Wrote: Monks?

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Do you realize how many star systems were just vaporized in that Galaxy?

Telluride · **12-03-2014, 04:06 PM**

(12-03-2014, 03:58 PM)Coatleque Wrote:
(12-02-2014, 03:30 PM)Erik Mynhier Wrote: Monks?

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Do you realize how many star systems were just vaporized in that Galaxy?

It was over NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND.

Kage · **12-03-2014, 04:11 PM**

(12-03-2014, 03:08 PM)Titor Wrote: Why are most people disregarding my aetheric solution?
Aether is 'natural'. In fact it is what comprises most of life and the elementals in the shroud or whatnot. There is nothing more "natural" than aether.
I am sure any street-vendor would sell a potion of infertility, or be able to cast a spell on it. It would be so much simpler and more effective than using plants or herbs.

What about aether use on jewelry? A focus on a specific intent on a gem on an accessory?

(12-03-2014, 02:22 PM)OttoVann Wrote: Otto's natural contraceptive is sticking to Elezen females for the most part. Â The devs said a few years ago in the forums that cross-racial breeding is rare as fuck, aka bitter tea will fail first before Otto gets an Elezen pregnant.

Careful Otto may be getting Elezen females pregnant easily. They're rare not because of any natural reasons (such as incompatible genes or whatnot) but because of cultural issues. But if they're already getting it down in bed I don't see cultural issues stopping them females from getting pregnant.

Mae · **12-03-2014, 05:14 PM**

(12-03-2014, 03:08 PM)Titor Wrote: Why are most people disregarding my aetheric solution?
Aether is 'natural'. In fact it is what comprises most of life and the elementals in the shroud or whatnot. There is nothing more "natural" than aether.
I am sure any street-vendor would sell a potion of infertility, or be able to cast a spell on it. It would be so much simpler and more effective than using plants or herbs.

My personal knee-jerk reaction away from magic/aetheric solutions is due to an individual I encountered while bored and server-hopping in WoW, where her MyRP profile included what basically translated out to "magic Druid tramp-stamp that allows her to control all aspects of her pregnancies (from not getting pregnant to giving birth to toddlers after only a month to mating with and giving birth to animals) and giving her temporary control over the fertility of anyone she sleeps with". I know it's not a fair reaction to anyone who seriously wants to use magic for birth control, but that was my introduction to the concept and it's always what flashes first through my mind whenever the idea is brought up.

As for typical in-game alchemic solutions... I'll admit it, for me it's OOC bleed. I'm one of those people who had more (and some permanent) damage done by lab-made pharmaceuticals than good, and I had to learn the herbal stuff to replace all the medicines I can't (or refuse to) take. My mental process sort of equates alchemy-crafted medicines as the in-game equivalent of lab-made pharmaceuticals. I won't begrudge someone if they want to make an infertility potion... interestingly, the basic Potion-potion would work in that regard (distilled Mistletoe essence, anyone?).

[Edited to clarify a term]

Yhen Yizeh · **12-03-2014, 05:16 PM**

The only safe sex is no sex at all.

Naunet · **12-03-2014, 06:05 PM**

Considering people's bodies contain aether (of varying amounts), and aether is used in magic, it seems reasonable for a magical spell to be crafted to prevent pregnancy, though that certainly places all responsibility on its success on the magical skill of the user. One little mistake and you're effed. Tongue

Â It's a tactic my partner and I used with two characters in TERA rp. The caveat was it had to be cast a time before, which accidentally led to OOCly unintentionally forgetting it once, which... well! xD

I like all the other alchemical suggestions in here, as well. Not sure I buy into alchemy = pharmaceuticals, though; it's a completely different brand of medicine involving herbal extracts and magic.

Gabineaux · **12-03-2014, 06:26 PM**

(12-03-2014, 05:16 PM)Yhen Yizeh Wrote: The only safe sex is no sex at all.

...I don't know, there's always a backdoor.

Hue hue hue.Â Laugh

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