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Naunet · **09-19-2013, 02:32 PM**

(09-19-2013, 01:07 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote: However, while I say this, I should also mention that there ARE people who are thrown into absolutely terrible circumstances and whose lives are nothing but day-to-day misery... fortunately, Eorzea isn't really a place where that sort of thing happens. At least to my knowledge.

(And the whole point of roleplaying like this is escapism, so...)

It's a society of people, and people breed misery, so I can guarantee you there is moreÂ than enough misery to go around in Eorzea, and there are certain to be those who get the shaft every single time.

(And I'm not sure I'd say escapism is the "whole point" of roleplaying. There's no fun in just telling a happy, hunky-dory story, in my opinion! Hell, even happy endings tend to be... not really all that happy in a lot of the plots I've been involved in. xD It's all just an individual thing.)

Zyrusticae · **09-19-2013, 03:23 PM**

(09-19-2013, 02:32 PM)Naunet Wrote: It's a society of people, and people breed misery, so I can guarantee you there is moreÂ than enough misery to go around in Eorzea, and there are certain to be those who get the shaft every single time.

Indeed, but would you really want to play with someone like that?

(09-19-2013, 02:32 PM)Naunet Wrote: (And I'm not sure I'd say escapism is the "whole point" of roleplaying. There's no fun in just telling a happy, hunky-dory story, in my opinion! Hell, even happy endings tend to be... not really all that happy in a lot of the plots I've been involved in. xD It's all just an individual thing.)

Oh, but a grey-and-grey story can still be escapism. Now, a story that's nothing but misery and sadness all the way through? Weeeellll....

Edit: To put it another way, that's not to say that exploring the side of someone who's just waaay down-on-their luck couldn't be interesting, I just don't see the point of doing so in a video game that's presumably played for entertainment. There's more than enough misery and suffering in our day-to-day lives, so why would you ever want to visit such a thing upon yourself in a virtual reality? Doesn't make sense to me.

Ari Kagon · **09-19-2013, 03:29 PM**

Morelle has a plethora of weaknesses. She is completely reckless, has no filter from the brain to the mouth and at times racist...to name a few. Probably her biggest flaw is her inability to resist a good pinch (stealing) which sometimes gets her into huge trouble (she almost got her face burned off by Togy when she stole his soul crystal).

Naunet · **09-19-2013, 04:40 PM**

(09-19-2013, 03:23 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote: Edit: To put it another way, that's not to say that exploring the side of someone who's just waaay down-on-their luck couldn't be interesting, I just don't see the point of doing so in a video game that's presumably played for entertainment. There's more than enough misery and suffering in our day-to-day lives, so why would you ever want to visit such a thing upon yourself in a virtual reality? Doesn't make sense to me.

I'd do it, if the story went that way. Twinflame and I have gone down some veryÂ dark paths in our past roleplay. It's less escapism and more just having fun telling stories driven by people who OOCly have a tendency to write unhappy things. xD

[edit] To quote Twinflame, who put it much more perfectly than I but who is working on an essay so I am not allowing him to bother with forums right now:

"Because exploring these kinds of characters is one of the major points of escapism. I don't want to get my arm chopped off irl just so that I can explore what comes of getting one's arm chopped off. Also, maybe it entertains me to tell a more dramatic story. That's nobody's business but my own, and those who agree, and who are okay with chopping off my arm or having their arms chopped off by my characters"

Zyrusticae · **09-19-2013, 04:53 PM**

I don't think we're talking about the same things here.

I'm talking about something that starts at the bottom and stays there, not a story that has ups AND downs.

Even a tragedy starts at the top and works its way down from there. They don't just start from the bottom and go even further down (if that's even possible).

It's one thing to tell a story about someone who loses something they once had. It's another to tell a story about someone who has nothing, and loses even more. Get what I'm sayin'?

The whole reason this topic came up is because, as Kismet mentions, you don't want a character who's nothing but a bag of weaknesses and no strengths, because it just comes off as flat. There's not very many directions for such a character to go but further down, if they're not already at rock-bottom. I'm talking about characters who are homeless, penniless, have to forage for food, are malnourished, and have no connections and no hope for the future. I get the feeling that you don't play characters that are anything close to this.

Natya Rudh · **09-19-2013, 05:58 PM**

Nat's greatest weakness I think is that she's too well balanced. Her skill is in my mind, second to none. But her strength, speed, and vitality/stamina all lose out to someone who is specialized in the respective attributes. A typical jack of all trades.

Val · **09-19-2013, 06:29 PM**

Val has a very large social weakness in that he has little in the way of social grace. He's been known to tell someone they're ignorant for grieving a loved one's death because "it happens," along with many other things.

He also has a huge ego which, unfortunately, is coupled with a large sense of pride for who and what he is. This means that he thinks of himself as invincible and has landed him in trouble on more than one occasion. When he fails, his pride is greatly wounded and that can be more devastating for him than anything else.

Clover · **09-19-2013, 06:43 PM**

Um, my characters' weakness...

-Clover: She's been too focused on magic and helping her family's business that she didn't make many friends. Her magic isn't very powerful either, but hopefully she'll keep learning and improve.

-K'mih: She's quite naive and impressionable, so I imagine that fooling her would be easy. She's also not the strongest Miqo'te around. Not the weakest either, but anyone with serious training and/or a brain would likely defeat her.

That's what I know so far!

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As for the debate of characters having too many weaknesses or too many strengths or being too happy or too sad, I personally don't care. Each character is a completely different world, and not everyone is going to be a perfect mix of everything. That doesn't happen irl, why should it happen in the RP?

Also, I love tragic, sad stories. FFXIV just doesn't inspire me for them because I find it too happy and innocent (yes), but other games like Mabinogi:Heroes do. It's so depressing, deep, and plain beautiful that it remains unrivalled in my mind.

JadeEclypse · **09-19-2013, 06:44 PM**

My main character, Ahrista is very bubbly and energetic, which sometimes is a downfall because people don't realize she's capable of being serious. Her main problem though is that she's horribly oblivious to a lot of things and easily distracted. She uses that outward personality to hide a lot of things she's really feeling.

BlessedSilence · **09-19-2013, 07:26 PM**

I think it is more fun when people do not tell their weaknesses. Â In an RP stance, once that is found out, well they'd have something to hold over your character's head ....

Rosekitten · **09-19-2013, 07:31 PM**

Heh I think my character has more flaws then he has strengths at times. As far as this point in his story anyway. Currently the phobia of water is very much still there (funny as his home is in Limsa). There is also a dislike towards Lalafell's for reasons somewhere along the lines of being knocked out and shoved in a shipping crate seemed to justify this. Not fond of tight spaces, though not really a said weakness as he can deal with that one better then the water fear. It takes a little bit for him to open up to others depending on the situation. Can be a bit cruel without meaning to, beating around the bush isn't a strong point. Hrm.. there was something else. Oh, he's a workaholic, not really a weakness or bad thing but once he's on a task or has set his mind to one that is where his mind will be till it is seen through. This sort of adds the difficulty that some might have at getting close to him. He's really not anti-social ^^; just distracted.

Seeing as someone brought up it being more fun to not know such information. I can see this but at the same time it is fun to read about characters weaknesses or flaws. Odds are most characters may never run into one another anyway let alone someone remembering every rp characters weaknesses or strengths. ^^;

Kyral Rilann · **09-19-2013, 07:33 PM**

Other females, sometimes she can be calm and collected around them, but other times she can stop herself, and she can get very.. interesting.

She also has this fear of Tonberries. An extreme hate for Ixali, and a slightly above average need for alcohol.

LandStander · **09-19-2013, 07:47 PM**

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Faye · **09-19-2013, 07:54 PM**

I honestly have more fun with my characters' flaws than their strengths. Too many people just want to be good at everything, but I think having a "perfect" character is terribly boring. But then, I really like making characters whose strengths are also their weaknesses, if that makes any sense (for example, Faye's being confident and over-ambitious gets her ahead in life for a while... until she takes it a step too far and lands herself in trouble).Â That being said, I suppose Faye has several flaws/fears/weaknesses. I'll try to keep it short and sweet!

- Prideful/Snobby
- Self-Righteous
- Has a bit of a god complex
- Manipulates others
- Dishonest
- Power hungry
- Looks down upon most other races
- Terrified of and paranoid about the Garlean Empire

Kismet · **09-19-2013, 07:57 PM**

(09-19-2013, 06:43 PM)Clover Wrote: As for the debate of characters having too many weaknesses or too many strengths or being too happy or too sad, I personally don't care. Each character is a completely different world, and not everyone is going to be a perfect mix of everything. That doesn't happen irl, why should it happen in the RP?

Putting this in a spoiler for neatness.

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