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03-16-2016, 01:22 PM
(03-16-2016, 01:20 PM)Aaron Wrote: Are Limit Breaks like Canon or are they just a game mechanic? I never got a conclusive answer on that in game.

Even then, one could view a LB as just a fancy move. Doesn't have to be a Bahamut slaying attack.

But I digress, my view on it is if you want to say Thancred is your boyfriend go ahead, not like Aaron would care anyway IC.

Gotta people confuse capacity to care versus actually caring. Sure I can say no you are not Thancreds liver IC, but will that do anything even if you are to me? No. So why care?

tbh, Val would probably just ask who the hell Thancred is and laugh at them. 

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03-16-2016, 01:24 PM
He was pretty good in bed, power bottom mostly, but I remember he didn't say much?

Anyways...if you are gonna connect yourself to MSQ, I always think it is best to choose the most innocuous character to connect to, ie not the WoL, the Scions, or the City-State commanders/leaders/royalty, except in cases of them being far down the totem pole as to interact with them in daily business with your job/class maybe.
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(03-16-2016, 01:22 PM)Val Wrote:
(03-16-2016, 01:20 PM)Aaron Wrote: Are Limit Breaks like Canon or are they just a game mechanic? I never got a conclusive answer on that in game.

Even then, one could view a LB as just a fancy move. Doesn't have to be a Bahamut slaying attack.

But I digress, my view on it is if you want to say Thancred is your boyfriend go ahead, not like Aaron would care anyway IC.

Gotta people confuse capacity to care versus actually caring. Sure I can say no you are not Thancreds liver IC, but will that do anything even if you are to me? No. So why care?

tbh, Val would probably just ask who the hell Thancred is and laugh at them. 

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You know that was so well put I can't even say anything in defense Lmfao.

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(03-16-2016, 01:20 PM)Aaron Wrote: Care Limit Breaks like Canon or are they just a game mechanic? I never got a conclusive answer on that in game.

Even then, one could view a LB as just a fancy move. Doesn't have to be a Bahamut slaying attack.

This is my opinion and estimation but a Limit Break is just an in-game mechanic you see across all the Final Fantasies. I've seen people describing their characters going ham as 'Limit Breaking' but they are using it as a descriptor.

If you're actually RPing out combat then you're beholden to whatever rules you're using for the combat. If it's free form and I'm having people slaughtering NPC's or something and they "Limit Break" and type out something cool then that's fine but I don't think it makes LB's canon.

In a more specific sense, if you mean the actual LB animations (Scholar Hawk, Dragoon Dragon, Astro Light show etc) I don't personally know of a character I play with that's powerful enough to actually cast one.

Honestly, If I was in a position where I needed a super attack or heal like that, I'd rather write out my own unique one than copy the animation. /shrug
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(03-16-2016, 01:25 PM)Aaron Wrote:
(03-16-2016, 01:22 PM)Val Wrote:
(03-16-2016, 01:20 PM)Aaron Wrote: Are Limit Breaks like Canon or are they just a game mechanic? I never got a conclusive answer on that in game.

Even then, one could view a LB as just a fancy move. Doesn't have to be a Bahamut slaying attack.

But I digress, my view on it is if you want to say Thancred is your boyfriend go ahead, not like Aaron would care anyway IC.

Gotta people confuse capacity to care versus actually caring. Sure I can say no you are not Thancreds liver IC, but will that do anything even if you are to me? No. So why care?

tbh, Val would probably just ask who the hell Thancred is and laugh at them. 

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You know that was so well put I can't even say anything in defense Lmfao.

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(03-16-2016, 03:03 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote:
(03-16-2016, 01:25 PM)Aaron Wrote:
(03-16-2016, 01:22 PM)Val Wrote:
(03-16-2016, 01:20 PM)Aaron Wrote: Are Limit Breaks like Canon or are they just a game mechanic? I never got a conclusive answer on that in game.

Even then, one could view a LB as just a fancy move. Doesn't have to be a Bahamut slaying attack.

But I digress, my view on it is if you want to say Thancred is your boyfriend go ahead, not like Aaron would care anyway IC.

Gotta people confuse capacity to care versus actually caring. Sure I can say no you are not Thancreds liver IC, but will that do anything even if you are to me? No. So why care?

tbh, Val would probably just ask who the hell Thancred is and laugh at them. 

"If yer his woman, why ain' I ever see ya together?"

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You know that was so well put I can't even say anything in defense Lmfao.

"...he's in Canada! You don't see him 'cause he's in Canada!"

Good ol' coerthas boyfriend. Hmhm.

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(03-16-2016, 01:03 PM)Val Wrote:
(03-16-2016, 12:11 PM)Leanne Wrote: Having met the WoL or any major NPC is troublesome? In my opinion, no.

Having the chance to interact with them, the world, or having your character perhaps making small contributions, maybe behind-the-scenes even, does not automatically put a character a station above in importance. And even if it does, really, does it matter that one's character is more "important" than yours? You are the one who assigns the degree of importance they may have to the world. You may choose your character to be another measly inhabitant, a bartender, a fisher maybe, or decide they have a higher call and bigger power to influence a little the world one lives in.

Of course, as with everything, it all depends on how one RP'er runs with the theme. Also, as always, it is up to the other RP'er to accept a connection like that or not. You can't force it down to their throat.

But once more, is there an issue? As long as you are sensible about it, to me, not at all.

I don't really see this argument as altogether conducive. Yeah, it's something people can do, but should they? You could say "you make that choice" to pretty much anything to justify it, but it doesn't make it necessarily justifiable. Yeah, you could RP your character in XIV shooting kamehameha-like chi beams and doing limit breaks because, hey, it's in the game. But should you?

Last I recall someone using an IC limit break, they got laughed at. This same argument should, then, be applied to them.

I personally do not like the word "should" being used in this context, to be honest. Feels like we're assigning strict rules to how one should RP, when in reality, it is not like that. 

People can make their characters shooting elixir fields left and right, people can make their characters pull a limit break out of their asses. It is -your- job to accept it or not. Like it is their job to simply accept that you don't conform to their RP. Your freedom ends where others begins.

One crowd may have laughed at someone using an IC limit break. Another crowd would perhaps accept it. Whose of the two are more correct? Personally, I would say the ones who accepted it, because at least they didn't make a mockery of the individual. Of course, as I stated in the previous post, one should be sensible when pulling things like that, of preference within a group they know and trust.

So they should, in case they want? Yes. What they can't is expect everyone to accept it.

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03-16-2016, 03:21 PM
(03-16-2016, 03:12 PM)Leanne Wrote:
(03-16-2016, 01:03 PM)Val Wrote:
(03-16-2016, 12:11 PM)Leanne Wrote: Having met the WoL or any major NPC is troublesome? In my opinion, no.

Having the chance to interact with them, the world, or having your character perhaps making small contributions, maybe behind-the-scenes even, does not automatically put a character a station above in importance. And even if it does, really, does it matter that one's character is more "important" than yours? You are the one who assigns the degree of importance they may have to the world. You may choose your character to be another measly inhabitant, a bartender, a fisher maybe, or decide they have a higher call and bigger power to influence a little the world one lives in.

Of course, as with everything, it all depends on how one RP'er runs with the theme. Also, as always, it is up to the other RP'er to accept a connection like that or not. You can't force it down to their throat.

But once more, is there an issue? As long as you are sensible about it, to me, not at all.

I don't really see this argument as altogether conducive. Yeah, it's something people can do, but should they? You could say "you make that choice" to pretty much anything to justify it, but it doesn't make it necessarily justifiable. Yeah, you could RP your character in XIV shooting kamehameha-like chi beams and doing limit breaks because, hey, it's in the game. But should you?

Last I recall someone using an IC limit break, they got laughed at. This same argument should, then, be applied to them.

I personally do not like the word "should" being used in this context, to be honest. Feels like we're assigning strict rules to how one should RP, when in reality, it is not like that. 

People can make their characters shooting elixir fields left and right, people can make their characters pull a limit break out of their asses. It is -your- job to accept it or not. Like it is their job to simply accept that you don't conform to their RP. Your freedom ends where others begins.

One crowd may have laughed at someone using an IC limit break. Another crowd would perhaps accept it. Whose of the two are more correct? Personally, I would say the ones who accepted it, because at least they didn't make a mockery of the individual. Of course, as I stated in the previous post, one should be sensible when pulling things like that, of preference within a group they know and trust.

So they should, in case they want? Yes. What they can't is expect everyone to accept it.

Did you ever have that friend who just made up lies and bullshit? His dad worked at Nintendo so he already had Pokemon Purple, and he had a PS2 when they got announced but it was at his uncle's house so you couldn't play it, but man, it's awesome?

Nobody likes that friend. Even as an adult, when someone's constantly talking about the crazy party they totally went to or all the hot people they definitely slept with, and no, they're not on Facebook and I didn't take pictures or anything, but trust me, it totally was real and not at all made up, that shit gets annoying. People who are confusing famous identities for interesting characters are, for a lot of people, the RP equivalent to that person. "I'm besties with Raubahn, and I have my own army of police to protect me."

"Should" is the watchword, and it isn't trying to enforce hard world rules on anyone: It's just prudence so we don't get bitch threads about why no one wants to RP with their quadrupal-souled older brother to Merlwyb who is a secret because they're also a werewolf/vampire/angel hybrid. No one ever said "don't do this" but a lot of people are aware how that thing usually goes over.

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I know that type of friend all too well :/

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(03-16-2016, 03:21 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(03-16-2016, 03:12 PM)Leanne Wrote:
(03-16-2016, 01:03 PM)Val Wrote:
(03-16-2016, 12:11 PM)Leanne Wrote: Having met the WoL or any major NPC is troublesome? In my opinion, no.

Having the chance to interact with them, the world, or having your character perhaps making small contributions, maybe behind-the-scenes even, does not automatically put a character a station above in importance. And even if it does, really, does it matter that one's character is more "important" than yours? You are the one who assigns the degree of importance they may have to the world. You may choose your character to be another measly inhabitant, a bartender, a fisher maybe, or decide they have a higher call and bigger power to influence a little the world one lives in.

Of course, as with everything, it all depends on how one RP'er runs with the theme. Also, as always, it is up to the other RP'er to accept a connection like that or not. You can't force it down to their throat.

But once more, is there an issue? As long as you are sensible about it, to me, not at all.

I don't really see this argument as altogether conducive. Yeah, it's something people can do, but should they? You could say "you make that choice" to pretty much anything to justify it, but it doesn't make it necessarily justifiable. Yeah, you could RP your character in XIV shooting kamehameha-like chi beams and doing limit breaks because, hey, it's in the game. But should you?

Last I recall someone using an IC limit break, they got laughed at. This same argument should, then, be applied to them.

I personally do not like the word "should" being used in this context, to be honest. Feels like we're assigning strict rules to how one should RP, when in reality, it is not like that. 

People can make their characters shooting elixir fields left and right, people can make their characters pull a limit break out of their asses. It is -your- job to accept it or not. Like it is their job to simply accept that you don't conform to their RP. Your freedom ends where others begins.

One crowd may have laughed at someone using an IC limit break. Another crowd would perhaps accept it. Whose of the two are more correct? Personally, I would say the ones who accepted it, because at least they didn't make a mockery of the individual. Of course, as I stated in the previous post, one should be sensible when pulling things like that, of preference within a group they know and trust.

So they should, in case they want? Yes. What they can't is expect everyone to accept it.

Did you ever have that friend who just made up lies and bullshit? His dad worked at Nintendo so he already had Pokemon Purple, and he had a PS2 when they got announced but it was at his uncle's house so you couldn't play it, but man, it's awesome?

Nobody likes that friend. Even as an adult, when someone's constantly talking about the crazy party they totally went to or all the hot people they definitely slept with, and no, they're not on Facebook and I didn't take pictures or anything, but trust me, it totally was real and not at all made up, that shit gets annoying. People who are confusing famous identities for interesting characters are, for a lot of people, the RP equivalent to that person. "I'm besties with Raubahn, and I have my own army of police to protect me."

"Should" is the watchword, and it isn't trying to enforce hard world rules on anyone: It's just prudence so we don't get bitch threads about why no one wants to RP with their quadrupal-souled older brother to Merlwyb who is a secret because they're also a werewolf/vampire/angel hybrid. No one ever said "don't do this" but a lot of people are aware how that thing usually goes over.

Pretty much exactly what Warren said. I don't want to police anyone, to each their own. But there's only so many times I can hear about so-and-so having drinks with Merlwyb while also hanging out with others while everyone else is claiming to be dating X NPC. Do you know how many people RP themselves dating popular NPCs? They don't generally go around the public RP community because I think a part of them realizes it wouldn't be accepted and wouldn't happen. I know one NPC in particular that I've seen no less than six girls claiming to simultaneously date him. IC. Val would be jealous.

And it's because of that that people need to keep in mind when trying to claim these popular things. Ultimately, somewhere, the world is going to break by people putting themselves in the place of/involved with/around popular NPCs. Stories are going to conflict. How many people are claiming to have killed primals in their backstories? Separately? Those things must be summoned on a daily basis.

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(03-16-2016, 03:28 PM)Aaron Wrote: I know that type of friend all too well :/

Told me he had a ferrari but it was at the shop for a paint job.

It's two months later.

They're painting it with single strands of unicorn hair, man, you have to be patient.

The main issue I find is consistency, in the sense that the WoL less of an individual and more a character concept that's totally fluid in appearance and mannerisms. It would be easy to call Derplander the "canon" WoL (and judging by the MSQ, the possibility of an actual canon WoL or group of WoL outside of our character does exist) but all it does is make me scratch my head. It'd kind of be like roleplaying as The Last Dragonborn in Skyrim, you know? Everyone has such a different version that regardless of what interacting with the WoL does, the lack of consistency makes it a real hedge of thorns to sort through.
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(This post was last modified: 03-16-2016, 03:40 PM by Leanne.)
(03-16-2016, 03:32 PM)Val Wrote:
(03-16-2016, 03:21 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(03-16-2016, 03:12 PM)Leanne Wrote:
(03-16-2016, 01:03 PM)Val Wrote:
(03-16-2016, 12:11 PM)Leanne Wrote: Having met the WoL or any major NPC is troublesome? In my opinion, no.

Having the chance to interact with them, the world, or having your character perhaps making small contributions, maybe behind-the-scenes even, does not automatically put a character a station above in importance. And even if it does, really, does it matter that one's character is more "important" than yours? You are the one who assigns the degree of importance they may have to the world. You may choose your character to be another measly inhabitant, a bartender, a fisher maybe, or decide they have a higher call and bigger power to influence a little the world one lives in.

Of course, as with everything, it all depends on how one RP'er runs with the theme. Also, as always, it is up to the other RP'er to accept a connection like that or not. You can't force it down to their throat.

But once more, is there an issue? As long as you are sensible about it, to me, not at all.

I don't really see this argument as altogether conducive. Yeah, it's something people can do, but should they? You could say "you make that choice" to pretty much anything to justify it, but it doesn't make it necessarily justifiable. Yeah, you could RP your character in XIV shooting kamehameha-like chi beams and doing limit breaks because, hey, it's in the game. But should you?

Last I recall someone using an IC limit break, they got laughed at. This same argument should, then, be applied to them.

I personally do not like the word "should" being used in this context, to be honest. Feels like we're assigning strict rules to how one should RP, when in reality, it is not like that. 

People can make their characters shooting elixir fields left and right, people can make their characters pull a limit break out of their asses. It is -your- job to accept it or not. Like it is their job to simply accept that you don't conform to their RP. Your freedom ends where others begins.

One crowd may have laughed at someone using an IC limit break. Another crowd would perhaps accept it. Whose of the two are more correct? Personally, I would say the ones who accepted it, because at least they didn't make a mockery of the individual. Of course, as I stated in the previous post, one should be sensible when pulling things like that, of preference within a group they know and trust.

So they should, in case they want? Yes. What they can't is expect everyone to accept it.

Did you ever have that friend who just made up lies and bullshit? His dad worked at Nintendo so he already had Pokemon Purple, and he had a PS2 when they got announced but it was at his uncle's house so you couldn't play it, but man, it's awesome?

Nobody likes that friend. Even as an adult, when someone's constantly talking about the crazy party they totally went to or all the hot people they definitely slept with, and no, they're not on Facebook and I didn't take pictures or anything, but trust me, it totally was real and not at all made up, that shit gets annoying. People who are confusing famous identities for interesting characters are, for a lot of people, the RP equivalent to that person. "I'm besties with Raubahn, and I have my own army of police to protect me."

"Should" is the watchword, and it isn't trying to enforce hard world rules on anyone: It's just prudence so we don't get bitch threads about why no one wants to RP with their quadrupal-souled older brother to Merlwyb who is a secret because they're also a werewolf/vampire/angel hybrid. No one ever said "don't do this" but a lot of people are aware how that thing usually goes over.

Pretty much exactly what Warren said. I don't want to police anyone, to each their own. But there's only so many times I can hear about so-and-so having drinks with Merlwyb while also hanging out with others while everyone else is claiming to be dating X NPC. Do you know how many people RP themselves dating popular NPCs? They don't generally go around the public RP community because I think a part of them realizes it wouldn't be accepted and wouldn't happen. I know one NPC in particular that I've seen no less than six girls claiming to simultaneously date him. IC. Val would be jealous.

And it's because of that that people need to keep in mind when trying to claim these popular things. Ultimately, somewhere, the world is going to break by people putting themselves in the place of/involved with/around popular NPCs. Stories are going to conflict. How many people are claiming to have killed primals in their backstories? Separately? Those things must be summoned on a daily basis.

Which is why to me it is always a question of being sensible. You can tell and I admit that I tend to be quite liberal in terms of RPing. Give me a believable excuse as for how, and I will roll with it. Likewise, give me a believable excuse as for how your character is somehow connected to Merlwyb that does not make my brain throw off alarms, and not use this as a excuse/make question to remember it every single time, and you won't see me looking at you like a weirdo.

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(03-16-2016, 03:32 PM)Val Wrote: I know one NPC in particular that I've seen no less than six girls claiming to simultaneously date him. IC. Val would be jealous.

To be fair, having a one night stand with Thancred isn't very exclusive based on how they show him in 2.0 That's about as exclusive at being at the steps of faith, or the battle of Cartenau.

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(03-16-2016, 03:40 PM)McBeef© Wrote:
(03-16-2016, 03:32 PM)Val Wrote: I know one NPC in particular that I've seen no less than six girls claiming to simultaneously date him. IC. Val would be jealous.

To be fair, having a one night stand with Thancred isn't very exclusive based on how they show him in 2.0 That's about as exclusive at being at the steps of faith, or the battle of Cartenau.

He gets around.

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(03-16-2016, 03:40 PM)McBeef© Wrote:
(03-16-2016, 03:32 PM)Val Wrote: I know one NPC in particular that I've seen no less than six girls claiming to simultaneously date him. IC. Val would be jealous.

To be fair, having a one night stand with Thancred isn't very exclusive based on how they show him in 2.0 That's about as exclusive at being at the steps of faith, or the battle of Cartenau.

He gets around.

Wasn't Thancred Wink

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