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Gegenji · **02-17-2015, 08:42 AM**

(02-17-2015, 08:35 AM)Lilithium Wrote: I think I got jinx'd.

I always try to ask if folks want to come with for WoD runs, so they'll have a (hopefully) faster queue and a (also hopefully?) half-decent tank on their end. Knowing I'm getting DPS/healers that know what they're doing is delightful too, so it's win-win for me. Blush

Kurt S. · **02-17-2015, 08:52 AM**

So I was on Kurt grabbing his WoD drop for the week, like I was passing like crazy on all the drops that weren't labelled "Demon Armor of Fending." Then I decided "Fucket, let's just try next week." So I roll need on the next thing that drops. The helmet. Then the boss just decides to drop the Armor. So I was like, okay cool, next week then brah!

So I hop on Ramona and get her WoD drop for the week too. I honestly didn't care which part she got, as long as it was BLM's gear. And god damn it all to hell. The Tank chestpiece drops twice, once from Angara Mainyu then after Cerby. So I finished the run, did it again. Nothing but fucking tank gear drops in the next 7 fucking runs.

If I was on Kurt and there was no stupid ass drop limit, he'd have been decked out in the entire Demon Fending Ensemble 6 times over.Â

Then the Casting Gloves dropped and all was (not) well.Â

Please, RNGesus, I already deleted my lalafell and roegadyn for you. Let me get my fucking Chestpiece already.

Kellach Woods · **02-17-2015, 09:38 AM**

(02-17-2015, 03:19 AM)Kage Wrote: To be fair, that AOE is almost inescapable if RNJESUS happens and the tank is moving it and the guy decides to turn around to cone everyone when they're moving and they're ass deep in the AOE. If you're in the thick of it, you're almost guaranteed to get hit by it.

Due to how bad I've had it with that boss, I try to keep movement to a minimum, I move him out of standards and that's it. If fight goes well I barely cover 1/4th of the outer circle in standards (due to the 2-3 idols which just need crushing instead).

So, when I say he wasn't moving, he wasn't moving. Not only that but the healer had previously died SEVERAL TIMES to mechanics he shouldn't have died to.

Had they even admitted they were new, I could have explained to them, in detail, how each of the fights we wiped NUMEROUS TIMES on worked and how to best exploit the mechanics for an easier time. As it currently stands, nope.

Spethah · **02-17-2015, 10:37 AM**

Dear expert roulette healers,

You > Tank > DPS. Heal in that order.

Don't heal the 75% DPS that didn't bother to dodge an AoE and instead heal me, the 15% health tank that's having to constantly have her finger at the hallowed ground button just in case. I hallowed 5 times, died 3 times because you didn't heal me and either dps'd or healed the dps.

That's 5 times too many for one group pulls (It was AK hard, I hate mass pulling there unless theres vines).

Give the tank some love please,Â

That tank that was getting a little peeved at you and had to spam the HP LOW GOD DAMN IT STOP DPSING AND HEAL ME macro.

Sounsyy · **02-17-2015, 11:32 AM**

(02-17-2015, 08:31 AM)Gegenji Wrote: Then my FC got a full group together for one last WoD run where we goofed off, joked, and had a jolly ol' time. And the tank chest dropped to top it all off. So a happy ending to this rant. Coral's a pretty awesome FC, you guys.

OMG YOU GOT IT YAYAYYAYAYAYAY!!!! =D So happy for youu!!
When I said I was bestowing my good fortune on you I didn't think it'd actually work. I have shite luck LOL.

(02-17-2015, 10:37 AM)Ralyon Wrote: Don't heal the 75% DPS that didn't bother to dodge an AoE and instead heal me, the 15% health tank that's having to constantly have her finger at the hallowed ground button just in case.

1) This is one of the many reasons I prefer tanking as WAR, because self heals are nice. God I miss 1.0 PLD...

2) When I dungeon as SCH, and you eat an AoE or do something dumb as a DPS, you best hope Selene heals you, cuz I sure as hell will not. My heals are for the tank. If a DPS takes damage, outside of extenuating circumstances, most times they're doing something they shouldn't be. I focus target tank and watch his HP bar while I dps. Lustrate where necessary, a Roused Selene takes care of pretty much all the rest. (Notable exceptions: when dps actually get targeted by mechanics like WP.)

Telluride · **02-17-2015, 11:41 AM**

(02-17-2015, 11:32 AM)Sounsyy Wrote: 2) When I dungeon as SCH, and you eat an AoE or do something dumb as a DPS, you best hope Selene heals you, cuz I sure as hell will not. My heals are for the tank. If a DPS takes damage, outside of extenuating circumstances, most times they're doing something they shouldn't be. I focus target tank and watch his HP bar while I dps. Lustrate where necessary, a Roused Selene takes care of pretty much all the rest. (Notable exceptions: when dps actually get targeted by mechanics like WP.)

Do you run into problems with DPS just not even trying to heal themselves?

I try to keep as much self-healing / evasion as I can in my DPS hotbar options, using the cross-class stuff to advantage - Featherfoot, Second Wind at the VERY least, and I try to use them as often as I need them because I don't WANT the Healer trying to save my butt - the Tank has gotta stay up or we're dead, anyway.

I'm approaching 50 on DRG, and have already begun trying to get in practice with keeping myself alive, which actually seems a little EASIER with DRG than it was with Bard or Monk, but then, the cross-class stuff (with things from MRD, too) is helping tons.

[tries not to be FAILDPS]

Kellach Woods · **02-17-2015, 11:52 AM**

If I have access to Second Wind, I run it. It's just too good to ignore on DPS classes. WAR not so much (and I'd rather be UTILITY TANK~ and run Mantra over SW) but still.

Spethah · **02-17-2015, 11:53 AM**

(02-17-2015, 11:32 AM)Sounsyy Wrote:
(02-17-2015, 10:37 AM)Ralyon Wrote: Don't heal the 75% DPS that didn't bother to dodge an AoE and instead heal me, the 15% health tank that's having to constantly have her finger at the hallowed ground button just in case.

1) This is one of the many reasons I prefer tanking as WAR, because self heals are nice. God I miss 1.0 PLD...

2) When I dungeon as SCH, and you eat an AoE or do something dumb as a DPS, you best hope Selene heals you, cuz I sure as hell will not. My heals are for the tank. If a DPS takes damage, outside of extenuating circumstances, most times they're doing something they shouldn't be. I focus target tank and watch his HP bar while I dps. Lustrate where necessary, a Roused Selene takes care of pretty much all the rest. (Notable exceptions: when dps actually get targeted by mechanics like WP.)

A major reason why I tend to go on my alt, who has WAR, more than my main is because of those self heals. I'm still levelling WAR on my main so I'm stuck with PLD until then.

I've noticed that when I stopped healing and started tanking (I am the world's worst DPS so I can only do one or the other), I ended up getting healers that just seem to not think that I'm important (I mean my sole existence is to get beat up, it's clearly an important role) and I end up watching my health rocket to stupidly low levels.

Thank goodness warrior raid tanking in WoW taught me not to panic until you hit 10% health.

Sounsyy · **02-17-2015, 12:09 PM**

(02-17-2015, 11:41 AM)Telluride Wrote: Do you run into problems with DPS just not even trying to heal themselves?

[tries not to be FAILDPS]

So (in my opinion) self heals and mitigation cross-classes are great when leveling up to 50, but afterwards are not the most efficient of cross-classes in lieu of other buffs or dps alternatives. I have Bloodbath for my DRG, Second Wind for my MNK and NIN, and Mantra for my BRD. I find that I almost never use Second Wind, and Mantra only for incoming raid-wide damage.

Again in my opinion, I am someone who believes the role of the DPS is to achieve and maintain the highest DPS output possible for their gear level. Part of maintaining said DPS is dodging mechanics that will kill you. I don't care if you lose 10 DPS if you stop attacking to run out of the AoE... your DPS drops to 0 if you die. And what I think a lot of DPS don't think about is that if they die, or take unnecessary damage, not only do they hurt their own DPS, but also that of the rest of the party. By you taking unnecessary damage you force your healer to stop DPSing and heal/raise you. This also takes heal focus off of tank, forcing tank to favor mitigation over damage output as well.

So TL;DR, never getting hit by avoidable mechanics is the most superior form of damage mitigation. (That goes for tanks as well...)

For mechanics that are unavoidable... the problem is, almost all of a DPS's self-heal options are reactive not pro-active, and while you may think you're helping out by healing yourself in response to taking damage, know that a good healer has probably already noticed you took damage and has either elected to heal or not to heal you by the time you actually get that Second Wind off. So really, it makes little difference to the healer either way. If you take significant damage (to an unavoidable mechanic that I knew was coming) I'm not gonna wait around to see if you heal yourself, I'm going to be sending a heal your way. Or Selene will more accurately.

The same concept is why Parry for tanks is pretty useless. I can never guarantee RNGesus is going to Parry an incoming tank buster, so I'm going to heal the tank regardless. If he parries, great, my strong heal is already outgoing under the assumption that he's about to take the full amount of damage. So really all the Parry did was make me overheal. Same concept for DPS popping Second Wind. If the damage is enough to make you consider self healing, the healer already has a heal coming your way.

Khoure · **02-17-2015, 12:20 PM**

also one time I was lvling cnj at haukke manor and I kept wondering- why in the world was it so impossible to heal the tank? I kept healing and healing and the tank would die, or it would be a close shave on even trash mobs! Not only that, but every single time I healed, I'd get at least one enemy (usually 2) after me while the tank seemed to be concentrating on dps or something, because he wouldnt pull them off until after the others were dead.

I looked at his gear and it turned out he was decked in 1/4 DoM gear, 1/4 DPS gear, and 1/2 crafter gear. And it was all pretty low even for Haukke

No matter what I did, he'd be dead or almost dead. When he inevitably ate it in the middle of the final boss, the arcanist in the group summoned topaz carbuncle, which ended up being a waaaay better tank. I remember it fondly now as the legend of the tank from hell, but it wasn't all that funny at the time.

Kellach Woods · **02-17-2015, 12:27 PM**

(02-17-2015, 12:09 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: The same concept is why Parry for tanks is pretty useless. I can never guarantee RNGesus is going to Parry an incoming tank buster, so I'm going to heal the tank regardless. If he parries, great, my strong heal is already outgoing under the assumption that he's about to take the full amount of damage. So really all the Parry did was make me overheal. Same concept for DPS popping Second Wind. If the damage is enough to make you consider self healing, the healer already has a heal coming your way.

I've noticed healers fail to notice DPS damage more often than not, so I'd rather not give them the stress of having to babysit me. If they don't have to care about my bar 'cause I can take care of my own raid damage (and more often than not there's not really a better choice except maybe Mantra) then it's better overall for their focus.

Parry for tanks is more for mitigating constant damage than Mountain Buster.

Telluride · **02-17-2015, 12:36 PM**

(02-17-2015, 12:27 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote:
(02-17-2015, 12:09 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: The same concept is why Parry for tanks is pretty useless. I can never guarantee RNGesus is going to Parry an incoming tank buster, so I'm going to heal the tank regardless. If he parries, great, my strong heal is already outgoing under the assumption that he's about to take the full amount of damage. So really all the Parry did was make me overheal. Same concept for DPS popping Second Wind. If the damage is enough to make you consider self healing, the healer already has a heal coming your way.

I've noticed healers fail to notice DPS damage more often than not, so I'd rather not give them the stress of having to babysit me. If they don't have to care about my bar 'cause I can take care of my own raid damage (and more often than not there's not really a better choice except maybe Mantra) then it's better overall for their focus.

Of course, we're assuming a good HEALER in this scenario, which we can't always assume.

Some healers will go nuts trying to fix everybody instead of focusing on the tank, and a little DPS damage mitigation might be enough to get off their radar and reduce their stress, after those routine, low-to-medium damage unavoidable raid AOE bursts.

So, for THOSE cases, I might be losing DPS to do a little self heal, but if it helps the healer to focus, then it's a net gain - tank stays alive, and while the fight may last a little bit longer, it doesn't wipe from a frantic healer.

As a DPS, I cannot always assume the healer is doing his/her job, especially in a pug, just as the healer cannot always know if I'm doing mine.

Ellavione · **02-17-2015, 12:52 PM**

A little thing for me to vent about today. I get up this morning as I do every morning to get some gathering and crafting progress done on my character. I notice my cell phone lost battery the previous night because I forgot to plug it in. No big deal right? Just let it charge a bit, boot it up, and open my square enix token. Well, the phone started fine but when I went into the Square Enix token app it was BACK at the registration screen asking for the registration password. Not to mention I can't log into my Manage Account Service page because it requires the onetime password to log in. So I try to 'emergency password' removal. That doesn't work because apparently my emergency password doesn't match what they have in their system. No biggie... I'll contact customer support I'm sure they will help me get this handled. I submit a ticket and call their customer service line.... and promptly receive a recorded message saying they are closed for the holiday. *hangs head*Â Frustrated

I'm hoping customer service DOES open up today and I at least get an email about my token. But that was NOT a good start to my day and I just want to go back to bed and start over again.

Telluride · **02-17-2015, 01:48 PM**

Speaking of cell phones:

- Well-used and loved but older smartphone suddenly has its touchscreen go out - the only button responding on it at all is the power button.

- Am Unhappy, but was unsatisfied with carrier anyway. Hope to get number transferred to better phone and plan.

- Phone rep says that it can't be transferred over unless the touch screen works for them to get into the settings. Am Incredulous.

- Check at Techshell. Told that repair is minimum $95. Phone is old enough that brand new phones twice as good cost maybe just over half that.

It's 2015, and they don't have a damnable App that can plug a reasonably good, supported smartphone, into their desktop machine, and retrieve the necessary info when the owner is right there to provide any ID and passwords needed? It's not as if my old phone was obsolete by any stretch of anyone's imagination.

Frustrated

Sounsyy · **02-17-2015, 02:32 PM**

(02-17-2015, 12:27 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote: Parry for tanks is more for mitigating constant damage than Mountain Buster.

So, lemme vent about Parry for a bit. This is totally not directed at you Kellach and is not meant to show any tanks in a negative light. Just since the subject got brought up and this is, after all, the vent thread. Spoilering because long.

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