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Spethah · **03-20-2015, 11:54 AM**

Ooooh the salty rustled jimmies are real. Â I've always seen ERPers as people that always ERP so I can't really see how you can mix the two but let's not go there. I don't want to see the salt spew out of those jimmies.

Back on track, I'd like to see what you do make now that everyone has thrown some ideas around. I've already said it before and I'll say it again, do what you think is going to be the most enjoyable for you. The things that people have suggested are actually quite interesting!

FreelanceWizard · **03-20-2015, 12:24 PM**

I sliced out the parts of this thread that were going off the rails. Since thread slicing is an art, I apologize if I left something or cut out something in error. Please stick to the topic at hand, thanks.

#magicAdminHat

AkhutaiAngura · **03-20-2015, 12:58 PM**

And it just.. Keeps.. Going.

I dunno what I really have to offer here, if anything. IT's all pretty much been said.Â

Lore breaking, people not liking that, do what you want, yada yada.

Here's a bit of insight from my end, maybe. I used to play WoW, way back in the day. I played a Draenei Shaman.. I adhere'd to the lore, but wanted this character to be.. Different. Not the same every day Draenei that you saw. So, rather then having one that grew up in Draenor, or.. Whatever the continent in the Burning Crusades was called, Rahalin was born on ARgus - The original Draenei homeland. Draenei hadn' tbeen on that world in.. Hundreds of thousands of years. So, Raha was something like.. 21000 years ok (As old-ish as Velin, who was canon and old as balls.) He'd been stored in cryostasis on the ship the Draenei took, and he was still in cryo when that ship crashed on Azeroth (The primary world of WoW.).... Because of how old RAhalin was, and the fact that he'd been in Cryo for.. SEveral thousand years, he had no clue as to anything. At all. He didn't even use possessive nouns in his speech - It was a lot of talking using body language, and using 'is', 'are', and 'am' randomly where it didn't seem appropriate. He was a BLAST to RP. People had a lot of fun with him.

When I moved over to FFXIV, I wanted something similar. I wanted to play a character that had grown up as a 'wild child', to explain why they spoke so brokenly. But.. I came to understand that that wasn't really lore appropriate. It just.. Didn't.. Fit, like it did in WoW... And because it didn't fit, ID idn't think I would have as much fun doing it. It was too off the wall, and too hard to make it work.Â

Sorry if this gets off topic. IT's mean as a demonstration to show how character concepts are not universally acceptable. What works in one world, may not work in another... And if it doesn't work, that doesn't mean we should force it.. My opinion, is that we should take the world SE made for us - And what a wonderful world it is - and use it.Â

Or something.

I dunno, I ramble too much.

***Alothia*** · **03-20-2015, 01:05 PM**

Cleaned up the rest of this.

Look, just keep it on topic.

I don't know about Freelance or anyone else, but I'm sick of having to move stuff around and lock threads because people don't know how to keep a discussion on topic and keep it civil.

Seriously, if you can't say something nice or contribute without adding something snarky, take a darn step away from the keyboard for a bit.

/adminhat

g0ne · **03-20-2015, 01:08 PM**

Listen to Alothia sensei!!Â

*flails around*

Listen to the mod!!

This is why I avoid threads that have even the slightest tendency to turn sour or heated.

Spethah · **03-20-2015, 01:12 PM**

(03-20-2015, 12:58 PM)Mikehl Grey Wrote: And it just.. Keeps.. Going.

I dunno what I really have to offer here, if anything. IT's all pretty much been said.Â

Lore breaking, people not liking that, do what you want, yada yada.

Here's a bit of insight from my end, maybe. I used to play WoW, way back in the day. I played a Draenei Shaman.. I adhere'd to the lore, but wanted this character to be.. Different. Not the same every day Draenei that you saw. So, rather then having one that grew up in Draenor, or.. Whatever the continent in the Burning Crusades was called, Rahalin was born on ARgus - The original Draenei homeland. Draenei hadn' tbeen on that world in.. Hundreds of thousands of years. So, Raha was something like.. 21000 years ok (As old-ish as Velin, who was canon and old as balls.) He'd been stored in cryostasis on the ship the Draenei took, and he was still in cryo when that ship crashed on Azeroth (The primary world of WoW.).... Because of how old RAhalin was, and the fact that he'd been in Cryo for.. SEveral thousand years, he had no clue as to anything. At all. He didn't even use possessive nouns in his speech - It was a lot of talking using body language, and using 'is', 'are', and 'am' randomly where it didn't seem appropriate. He was a BLAST to RP. People had a lot of fun with him.

When I moved over to FFXIV, I wanted something similar. I wanted to play a character that had grown up as a 'wild child', to explain why they spoke so brokenly. But.. I came to understand that that wasn't really lore appropriate. It just.. Didn't.. Fit, like it did in WoW... And because it didn't fit, ID idn't think I would have as much fun doing it. It was too off the wall, and too hard to make it work.Â

Sorry if this gets off topic. IT's mean as a demonstration to show how character concepts are not universally acceptable. What works in one world, may not work in another... And if it doesn't work, that doesn't mean we should force it.. My opinion, is that we should take the world SE made for us - And what a wonderful world it is - and use it.Â

Or something.

I dunno, I ramble too much.

That's something I noticed as well. Aside from the obvious technology difference scenario, a lot things might work in one work but not another.

Take the OP's Norse mythos idea for example. Odin on Earth is the Godfather and "The one that sees all" but in Eorzea he is an Elder Primal, constantly testing the realm for worthiness to continue on with our lives. They're very different and as a result throwing one character from Earth to Eorzea with that Odin relation gets rather confusing lore-wise. That was something a lot of people pointed out early on in the thread.

If I had to say anything in regards to someone jumping from world to world based on personal experience, either have the character become confused over the differences or just find a way to get around the difference even to the point of retconning a little. Or just restart on a fresh slate with the based character you had from one world only in another. That works as well.

Warren Castille · **03-20-2015, 01:12 PM**

(03-20-2015, 01:08 PM)Eleni Wrote: Listen to Alothia sensei!!Â

*flails around*

Listen to the mod!!

This is why I avoid threads that have even the slightest tendency to turn sour or heated.

Sometimes difficult conversations are the ones worth having most. OP came in requesting guidance on a very controversial subject and was met with the gamut of responses. That's bound to get some dander up.

g0ne · **03-20-2015, 01:15 PM**

(03-20-2015, 01:12 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(03-20-2015, 01:08 PM)Eleni Wrote: Listen to Alothia sensei!!Â

*flails around*

Listen to the mod!!

This is why I avoid threads that have even the slightest tendency to turn sour or heated.

Sometimes difficult conversations are the ones worth having most. OP came in requesting guidance on a very controversial subject and was met with the gamut of responses. That's bound to get some dander up.

Yes, but difficult conversations can be done nicely and positively, and with a SMILE. But things mostly heat up for some reason. :<

Warren Castille · **03-20-2015, 01:20 PM**

(03-20-2015, 01:15 PM)Eleni Wrote:
(03-20-2015, 01:12 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(03-20-2015, 01:08 PM)Eleni Wrote: Listen to Alothia sensei!!Â

*flails around*

Listen to the mod!!

This is why I avoid threads that have even the slightest tendency to turn sour or heated.

Sometimes difficult conversations are the ones worth having most. OP came in requesting guidance on a very controversial subject and was met with the gamut of responses. That's bound to get some dander up.

Yes, but difficult conversations can be done nicely and positively, and with a SMILE. But things mostly heat up for some reason. :<

Roleplayers are often driven by their egos. Be it defending something they love, attacking someone perceived to be attacking something they love, or just wanting to feel acceptance on the whole, it's practically impossible to have meaningful discussion without also having passionate discussion. As passion is wont to do, sometimes that means things escalate.

As long as discussions are held respectfully, it shouldn't be an issue. The problem arises when people feel slighted or disrespected, which can happen to myriad reasons. And sometimes bad behavior warrants a spanking, but that's a tricky line to see sometimes.

ValkyrieRangris · **03-20-2015, 01:23 PM**

Sorry guys I fell asleep briefly lol. Could not resist with having my window open and listening to the birds.

(03-20-2015, 12:58 PM)Mikehl Grey Wrote: And it just.. Keeps.. Going.

I dunno what I really have to offer here, if anything. IT's all pretty much been said.Â

Lore breaking, people not liking that, do what you want, yada yada.

Here's a bit of insight from my end, maybe. I used to play WoW, way back in the day. I played a Draenei Shaman.. I adhere'd to the lore, but wanted this character to be.. Different. Not the same every day Draenei that you saw. So, rather then having one that grew up in Draenor, or.. Whatever the continent in the Burning Crusades was called, Rahalin was born on ARgus - The original Draenei homeland. Draenei hadn' tbeen on that world in.. Hundreds of thousands of years. So, Raha was something like.. 21000 years ok (As old-ish as Velin, who was canon and old as balls.) He'd been stored in cryostasis on the ship the Draenei took, and he was still in cryo when that ship crashed on Azeroth (The primary world of WoW.).... Because of how old RAhalin was, and the fact that he'd been in Cryo for.. SEveral thousand years, he had no clue as to anything. At all. He didn't even use possessive nouns in his speech - It was a lot of talking using body language, and using 'is', 'are', and 'am' randomly where it didn't seem appropriate. He was a BLAST to RP. People had a lot of fun with him.

When I moved over to FFXIV, I wanted something similar. I wanted to play a character that had grown up as a 'wild child', to explain why they spoke so brokenly. But.. I came to understand that that wasn't really lore appropriate. It just.. Didn't.. Fit, like it did in WoW... And because it didn't fit, ID idn't think I would have as much fun doing it. It was too off the wall, and too hard to make it work.Â

Sorry if this gets off topic. IT's mean as a demonstration to show how character concepts are not universally acceptable. What works in one world, may not work in another... And if it doesn't work, that doesn't mean we should force it.. My opinion, is that we should take the world SE made for us - And what a wonderful world it is - and use it.Â

Or something.

I dunno, I ramble too much.

Ah makes sense, the roleplays I have done in the past were all forums. The worlds were created by the OP and people would build on upon it with their characters. So not really use to roleplaying on MMOs.

***Alothia*** · **03-20-2015, 01:35 PM**

And see, that's kinda where I figured you were coming from.Â
Unlike Forum RP, we do kinda have to operate in which the world we're given. You're allowed to take some liberties, stretching the lore as we have it, but the lore is there for a reason.

If you need help figuring out how to fit into the lore, or have questions about the lore in general, we have plenty of people here who can help you do that. We actually have some of the most knowledgeable lore mongers around.

Another good place to start might be to take a look at some of the other wiki entries of people here. There's a lot of good stuff written up there, and a lot of good views on how to have an interesting character while still abiding by what Square has given us.

Atoli · **03-20-2015, 01:36 PM**

(03-20-2015, 09:17 AM)ValkyrieRangris Wrote:
(03-20-2015, 09:15 AM)Imo Wrote: Please don't give your character a mental disorder. Unless you research it really well, it tends not to go well. And even when you do, it still can.
Is there a list of things that are acceptable? Not being rude just very curious. I did not see any rules besides the ones posted on the sticky for guides. Please post I am actually curious.

Its not so much matter of "what's acceptable" as it is a matter of roleplaying mental disorders as a gimmick is incredibly derogatory. ( I know this is a troll post but just wanted to scream that out into the internet finally xD )

ValkyrieRangris · **03-20-2015, 01:47 PM**

(03-20-2015, 01:36 PM)Atoli Wrote:
(03-20-2015, 09:17 AM)ValkyrieRangris Wrote:
(03-20-2015, 09:15 AM)Imo Wrote: Please don't give your character a mental disorder. Unless you research it really well, it tends not to go well. And even when you do, it still can.
Is there a list of things that are acceptable? Not being rude just very curious. I did not see any rules besides the ones posted on the sticky for guides. Please post I am actually curious.

Its not so much matter of "what's acceptable" as it is a matter of roleplaying mental disorders as a gimmick is incredibly derogatory. ( I know this is a troll post but just wanted to scream that out into the internet finally xD )

What lol. I am generally worried that you have to make a statement like this lol. You must of seen some really bad roleplays where people are not researching into the actual mental disability and building a character that could be like a real person, not perfect but trying their best. Most people now a days are diagnosed with mental disabilities, we are far more accepting now of knowing that everyone thinks differently. It be different though if they are running around with a black face like role screaming they have autism or other mental disability copying stereotypes. I do not see that as acceptable.

Kage · **03-20-2015, 01:57 PM**

I think a few of these posts have been made with the "oh man OP is a troll!?" type mentality/perception.

As someone who primarily came from Forum RP I can see where you have had a different conception of what the RP in an MMO is like. Unlike (what I think of) tabletop or forum roleplay, the worlds aren't built by us roleplayers or GMs in the same sense as some of us may think. In an MMO the world and story, the history and "rules" are already in place. Our characters in the MMO give the world the body and realism of a story. Characters with lives within the story.

That one sultansworn who was inspired by Papashan but ended up flat on his face. The amnesiac garlean experiment, tossed out and left in a hostile environment to himself and in turn hostile to certain others. The reckless mentor who ended up dying on a misguided mission to make sure her home wasn't being taken advantage of. The runaway from an affluent family hidden for years before backstabbing led to her new home thinking her a traitorous spy.

Characters can all have a great story that is built upon by the wonderful game we have chosen to try and RP in.

Caspar · **03-20-2015, 02:34 PM**

Huh? You can't play someone who suffers from some undefined kind of mental illness anymore because if you haven't experienced it, you can't rp it? That sounds unfairly restrictive. If film and tv can get it wrong, we can, and if we want to be better about it then them, we can always do our research. I don't understand.

Anyway, I came from forum rp as well. Not being able to dictate the pace and nature of the rp I get is a bit jarring myself. I'm used to being the ringleader as far as the story writing goes, since that's usually what I did on the forums I played on. But now I have to say it's somewhat of a relief to not need to. I can be part of the crowd or merely silently observe if I wish. That's something hard to do in forum rp at times without a lot of terse, uninteresting posts, unless you're fine with volunteering a lot of internal monologue (like I was.).

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