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crowmeleon · **09-28-2014, 12:35 PM**

At the end of the day roleplay is for fun, and as long as you don't impede on others' ability to do the same I like to think you're free to do whatever you would like. However- In situations like this you really can't demonize people for not wanting to rp with you because you play something they are uncomfortable with.Â

No one should ever feel obligated to participate in roleplay they don't want to.Â

First and foremost let me say I respect your right to RP freely, and even if I disagree with someone on every other front I'd still encourage them to do what makes them happy so long as they don't infringe on others' ability to do the same. But for me personally, depending on the degree of similarity and congruence with lore I may or may not feel comfortable rping with such a character beyond short-term interaction. You could be the best writer in the world, but if you plagiarize or break lore too much I would no longer enjoy the RP. A difference in tastes, priorities, or principal doesn't make either of us a bad person. Just incompatible.Â

Beyond that I can only give you advice based on my personal opinions.Â

I would ask yourself what aspects of the character and magical girl trope appeal to you, and how you want to involve that in your RP. Thankfully this MMO is a very anime-esque universe, so I don't think it would be difficult to include these things. A character who takes the time before every battle to go through a transformation sequence could lead to some hilariously fun RP. It would probably be regarded something of a parody but I definitely think it could be pulled off with great results. Good luck!

Lyriell · **09-28-2014, 12:52 PM**

(09-28-2014, 12:24 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: I actually befriended the person.

Titor Wrote:Just going to leave this here

Quote:3.5 Naming Right.Â You may not use any name or other intellectual property belonging to Square Enix or any other third party in your use of the Game (for example, naming a character after a celebrity, company, product, or superhero).

You try to change Super Mario's name in Balmung, I'll kill you >:/

How about I'm going to befriend you? Nanoha-style!

MUAHAHA! *evil laughter and the sound of thundersparks in the background*

eh..ehem...sorry about that.

Anyway to get back to the topic:

My idea was to keep most of her personality as she usually acts during the series. However the background story will focus on FFXIV lore instead. I don't just want to copy each and every single aspect of her, and I think even if I would try hard I'm not going to be able to copy her personality a 100%. That's because there's always some influence on the character by the player itself.

Kylin · **09-28-2014, 12:54 PM**

This is a slippery slope in my opinion. It depends on how far you take it. It's perfectly fine to draw inspiration from external characters and I'd say it's even okay to (partially) utilize names that you like. And if one is just simply using a particular trope, that's probably fine too. However, if you're outright using the full character and transferring it to another world, that's where the problem will be. Personal opinions aside, it comes down to one thing in that regard:

Copyright infringement.

Video games/tv shows/books/etc all have copyrights for a reason. Their characters belong to the original creators, and nobody else. And it's completely understandable. While I may not legally have copyright powers over my character (SE technically does), I'd be downright furious if I saw another "Kylin Felstar" that looked and had an almost identical history to my character. To me, that's stealing my work and passing it off as your own. And that's not okay with me. Likewise, it's not okay with other character creators out there. It's the very reason SE outright disallows names like "Cloud Strife." I challenge someone to find a character in XIV named that, exactly spelled like that. You won't. You'll find "Cloud' Strife" (lots of 'em) with an added apostrophe. But that's the closest you'll get. There's a reason for that. SE doesn't allow it. It's their character and their intellectual property.

Likewise, other character creators (such as anime characters) don't like their intellectual property being used without their permission. That being said, I very highly doubt any of these character creators are going to come after someone for using the character concept in an MMO RP community. But it doesn't make it any more 'right.'

Drawing inspiration from a character you like (whether a particular name or a specific character trait) is one thing. Everyone does that to some extent, even famous authors. Outright using the exact character of someone else is another entirely, and, in my opinion, should be avoided at all costs.

So to answer the question: For me personally, no. I wouldn't take such a character seriously at all. If I see someone RPing a Naruto Uzumaki, I'm rolling my eyes and walking the opposite direction. That's just me though.

I'd challenge you to isolate the particular traits of the character you like and use those as inspiration, rather than just outright using the character itself. Then let the character develop its own identity that's of your own making.

Lyriell · **09-28-2014, 01:01 PM**

(09-28-2014, 12:54 PM)Kylin Wrote: This is a slippery slope in my opinion. It depends on how far you take it. It's perfectly fine to draw inspiration from external characters and I'd say it's even okay to (partially) utilize names that you like. And if one is just simply using a particular trope, that's probably fine too. However, if you're outright using the full character and transferring it to another world, that's where the problem will be. Personal opinions aside, it comes down to one thing in that regard:

Copyright infringement.

Video games/tv shows/books/etc all have copyrights for a reason. Their characters belong to the original creators, and nobody else. And it's completely understandable. While I may not legally have copyright powers over my character (SE technically does), I'd be downright furious if I saw another "Kylin Felstar" that looked and had an almost identical history to my character. To me, that's stealing my work and passing it off as your own. And that's not okay with me. Likewise, it's not okay with other character creators out there. It's the very reason SE outright disallows names like "Cloud Strife." I challenge someone to find a character in XIV named that, exactly spelled like that. You won't. You'll find "Cloud' Strife" (lots of 'em) with an added apostrophe. But that's the closest you'll get. There's a reason for that. SE doesn't allow it. It's their character and their intellectual property.

Likewise, other character creators (such as anime characters) don't like their intellectual property being used without their permission. That being said, I very highly doubt any of these character creators are going to come after someone for using the character concept in an MMO RP community. But it doesn't make it any more 'right.'

Drawing inspiration from a character you like (whether a particular name or a specific character trait) is one thing. Everyone does that to some extent, even famous authors. Outright using the exact character of someone else is another entirely, and, in my opinion, should be avoided at all costs.

So to answer the question: For me personally, no. I wouldn't take such a character seriously at all. If I see someone RPing a Naruto Uzumaki, I'm rolling my eyes and walking the opposite direction. That's just me though.

I'd challenge you to isolate the particular traits of the character you like and use those as inspiration, rather than just outright using the character itself. Then let the character develop its own identity that's of your own making.

It seems it's highly dependable on the popularity of the character. As you said there doesn't seem to be a Cloude Strife character with that exact name.Â

But have a look at this:

http://de.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/...ibe=&order=

Some of them are level 50 too. So I guess it depends on several factors:
The character being very popular, other players being a dick about reporting someone and the player with said name itself being a dick to other players or not (ties in well with players reporting him)

Kylin · **09-28-2014, 01:26 PM**

I think the point was missed entirely, but that's okay. Having been in the community since forever, I know and accept that there are different camps for different things. And I doubt any amount of discourse will sway one camp or the other.

But it's important to know that fiercely clinging to the notion of using a character straight out of another universe is going to limit to some extent the people you're able to RP with. That's just the culture of many MMO RP communities. MMO RP, while certainly sharing similarities with other RP venues, is still a very different beast of its own culture. Â

If you're happy with your character, then great! If you're able to find an acceptable chunk of the player base who is also happy with your character, great! Again, however, just know going into this that there is a sizeable portion of the population that has strong feelings toward this type of RP and won't take part in it. And you need to go into this knowing that it's their choice to feel that way, and that their opinion is no less legitimate than your own. As such, they shouldn't ever be labeled as elitists or jerks or anything like that when you actually start to see this refusal to RP with you in real time.

Regardless of what you choose to do, good luck and hope you enjoy your character Thumbsup

Kage · **09-28-2014, 01:40 PM**

Clearly, what you do is make Hydaelyn UAW #XXX (Unadministrated world) and have Fate working with the TSAB on the planet somehow. *puts on yuri goggles* Fate is after a Jewel Seed (perhaps those pretty soul stones) but comes into trouble when facing the Beast Tribes and Garleans. Thus her partner in raising Vivio comes down with a Starlight Breaker trying to get them to listen to her while the Warriors of Light then come to help and eventually join the TSAB.

I can see this happening with a group of RPers dedicated to it but not with people who are RPing generally. It's like if Fate met with random UAW citizen. What? How would they react? Probably think crazy. I mean... space.

Lyriell · **09-28-2014, 01:46 PM**

(09-28-2014, 01:40 PM)Kage Wrote: Clearly, what you do is make Hydaelyn UAW #XXX (Unadministrated world) and have Fate working with the TSAB on the planet somehow. *puts on yuri goggles* Fate is after a Jewel Seed (perhaps those pretty soul stones) but comes into trouble when facing the Beast Tribes and Garleans. Thus her partner in raising Vivio comes down with a Starlight Breaker trying to get them to listen to her while the Warriors of Light then come to help and eventually join the TSAB.

I can see this happening with a group of RPers dedicated to it but not with people who are RPing generally. It's like if Fate met with random UAW citizen. What? How would they react? Probably think crazy. I mean... space.

lol ^^ no seriously I don't want to play her as the Canon version. However I wouldn't mind someone making a spin off version of Nanoha too Tongue

I need my waifu! ;-;

Yaaris · **09-28-2014, 03:23 PM**

I believe that if you use a character from anything as inspiration it's fine. As long as you aren't straight up plagiarizing, I highly doubt anyone would notice unless you specifically pointed it out somehow.

Actually, I'll bet if you used the magical girl thing on your original character, some people would find it endearing.

I don't really believe there's an "anime" character taboo. I'd take you just as seriously if you rp'd Motoko Kusanagi as if you rp'd Eddard Stark. Which is to say, not seriously at all.

FreelanceWizard · **09-28-2014, 03:56 PM**

(09-28-2014, 03:23 PM)Yaaris Wrote: Actually, I'll bet if you used the magical girl thing on your original character, some people would find it endearing.

Absolutely! That concept is perfectly fine, IMO. Smile

This is Final Fantasy, after all, where the characters tend to be young, idealistic, and powerful.

Really, everyone takes inspiration from various places. We have a whole thread in Character Development where people talk about what inspired their characters. Where MMO (and pen and paper, for that matter) RPers tend to take exception is when it's not inspiration, but appropriation. It's a cultural difference, surely, but one to be aware of as it can definitely impact one's RP.

C'kayah Polaali · **09-28-2014, 04:41 PM**

I took a long time to answer this thread because the issue for me is a bit complicated. Personally, I tend to fall into the "Good RP masks a variety of sins - if it's entertaining, I'll overlook quite a bit" camp. At the same time, I definitely come from the tabletop RP population, and tend to make my characters from scratch even from game to game (I've never really gotten the "X is my character, I play them in every game that I play" thing).

Speaking personally, while I'm typically happy to RP with anyone and everyone, I'd be a little hesitant to do any sort of deep RP with a character like this. Not because they're a magical girl or anime-inspired or anything like that. Instead, it's simply because they're a FF version of an existing character out of someone else's canon. Canon character RP is fantastic (one of my daughters does it, and she really finds it rewarding), but it is different from deep character RP because there are very hard limits to how a character can change that you reach very quickly. For me, the whole point of deep character RP is that your character changes because of their interactions with others. A canon character can't really do that because they'd no longer be a canon character.

That said, there are quite a few people in this thread that have given you warnings that you won't get as much RP if you do X or Y. I'd say screw 'em. Play the character the way you want. If you're a good RPer, you'll find people to RP with, regardless. And if you decide it's not working out for you, then you can do a name-change and play a different character concept.

Kage · **09-28-2014, 04:44 PM**

Keep in mind that though it is -easier- to RP with an already in-game name you do not have to RP with that name.

People have asked about the fact that their character has nunh etc as their character name and sometimes Nunh tend to get a bad rep (or not).

That name floating above your character? It does not -have- to be the name you use in RP. If people take that name they are -meta-gaming- and well you probably don't want to RP with them at all.

ArmachiA · **09-28-2014, 06:41 PM**

(09-28-2014, 12:03 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: Naturally, you can, of course, RP whatever you want.

That said, from my experience in MMO RP, most MMO RPers come from the tabletop and LARP worlds (or even the MU* world, where fanfic-like games were often less common than original universes or those derived from tabletop RPGs), where playing a canonical character is typically viewed extremely negatively. Even tabletop RPG players who play in licensed universes (Star Wars, Firefly/Serenity, Amber, etc.) generally don't play canonical characters, as part of the fun is creating your own character and placing them in that setting. Canonical characters are established as NPCs.

So, you can imagine that there's a significant clash between the fanfic RPers, who typically play canonical characters to avoid Mary Sues, authorial wish fulfillment, etc. and the tabletop/LARP RPers who find playing canonical characters to be abhorrent. My supposition is that those RPers who classify themselves as "heavier" RPers typically come out of the tabletop/LARP tradition, and that there are more players from that tradition in MMOs generally. Even if you reject those suppositions, though, while playing an original character in an MMO may grate on those from the fanfic community who are playing in an MMO, playing a canonical character in one will result in rejection from a significant proportion of the MMO RP community. Basically, it's a different culture and tradition of RP, with different norms.

In short: while you can do whatever you want, playing canonical characters (regardless of whether they jumped here via cross-universe portal or not) is likely to result in significant problems in your RP, so my advice is to not do it.

It's this. Two VERY different cultures, coming from very different places, believing the exact opposite things are abhorrent.

Lyriell · **10-07-2014, 12:33 PM**

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Chillsmack · **10-09-2014, 05:39 PM**

I avoid weaboos like the plague, so no I would not take an actual anime character serious. If you have a Lalafell with a name that comes out of Naruto then I ignore you completely even if you are attempting walk-up RP. Hell, you could even be good at RP and I still won't want to RP with you for the same reason I'm not going to RP with anyone who's character is Drizzt Do'Urden: that being, I'm a lore-nazi. If you're going to RP in a world that someone created, I think you should respect that world and the setting which has, no doubt, taken a great deal of time and effort to create. If you want to ignore the setting completely and replace it with your own, then I question your point in RPing in the first place.

That said, as mentioned before, having slight anime-inspirations is fine since inspiration can come from anywhere. But if you henshin/transform, then no: welcome to the blocklist. While FF14 pokes fun and flirts with anime at bit (see: aesthetician questline and the special effects of abilities), I think any anime-esque elements of the game are simply a product of the fact that it was a Japanese game first, and, the western influences by comparison are far more substantial since the fantasy elements draw so much more inspiration from medieval periods all the way through the Renaissance (and even further still). With that in mind an anime character does not - in my opinion - fit the lore.

allgivenover · **10-09-2014, 06:11 PM**

Do whatever you want, but I think it's in your best self-interest to come up with your own name and character concept.

You can change your name easily by creating a character on Balmung that has the exact same name as the one you are transferring over, you will be prompted to change the transferred character's name after moving. I highly recommend you take the opportunity to do so.

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