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***Maril*** · **11-15-2014, 09:01 PM**

I don't tend to go out and "break" the lore, I am not really a fan of the idea that if I think something is a cool idea, I can just go out and do that without regard for the continuity and consistency in the world. So you wouldn't see me invent a new type of magic. But I do go in and study the lore when I have an idea and see how bendable it is, or if there's a hoop or even a gap. Depending on what I find, I may scrap or go ahead with an idea. It's a standard I keep myself to, and sure it's something I like to see other people do too - and I expect that of my FC, but they all know/agree with that. Otherwise it's nothing I force on people, but I do have my own steps to get out of RP I feel is too far away from what I can get involved in, and still keep to my standard. That doesn't make everyone who doesn't stick to it a baddie, I just know when it's time to go before things get too painful for everyone involved - It's generally a mutual waste of time if RP styles don't mix, imo.Â

I've always disliked it when someone calls others a lore-nazi or a tight elitist and similar, because I often find that it's simply people akin to myself who gets up being labelled exactly because we sometimes pull ourselves out of things. I'm sure there are bullies out there who will whisper you for 2 months about how you cant do this and that, it just sucks to be put into the same box with them when you're not like that yourself (even if you can see that you're not and all of that, it's the stigma in it really).Â

In your case, I'd probably have quirked an eyebrow and started googling/asking my geeks about stuff cause I'd be curious.Â

*puts two gil in a box*

Gegenji · **11-15-2014, 09:36 PM**

I just want to clarify a point - I'm more curious about how much people are willing to bend the lore than try to say one is better than the other.

After all, there's horrible extremes existent in both directions. Complete disregard to the set lore serves as counterpoint those who cannot roleplay their character without knowing precisely from the lore how many tongs an Ul'dahnian salad fork has. Conversely, some willingness to bend the lore can allow for just as much creativity as using what limited lore resources are available to create a lore-appropriate character!

It was merely the situation of "a Lalafell from Doma" that had questions raised and brought the topic of discussion to my mind. And had me a bit worried about where the folks I might be RPing with would stand on such an issue. After all, this is a group effort and I want to make to make the experience as comfortable as possible for those I RP with. Blush

Erik Mynhier · **11-15-2014, 10:03 PM**

I work on two principles when it come to going outside the door, or bending the lore.

1. It has not been expressly forbidden by the lore.
2. The bending, usually into the area of guessing future, is done with an educated guess.

Example: Since beta I have laid it out that Erik is rlated to and therefor on the path to become a DRK. I did this by keeping the back story as general as possible. His father was a DRK, but I never gave specifics as to how he became one. The only skill I claimed was the "Dark Blade Technique" again never once claiming anything specific. So by that I bent the lore of the time as there was no DRK. Also logic dictated that with the popularity as well as how common it is in most FF games, I made an educated guess that sooner or later, DRK would be added.

It is a delicate thing bending the lore, but it can be done.

Cliodhna Eoghan · **11-15-2014, 11:54 PM**

I try not to bend lore too hard but if there's something I'm not sure about I wanna do with Clio; I tend to just ask Erik first if it's a good idea or not. xD

Parvacake · **11-16-2014, 12:14 AM**

I go with a mixture of common sense, solid reasoning, and the lore that has been provided. Unlike MMOs like WoW where there's novels, series upon series worth of prior information, we only have what's in other FF games that seems to adhere. But even then not EVERYTHING is the same soooo...

In a game like this, I don't think one can really earn the title of a 'lore enthusiast' or 'lore nazi'. Save maybe Sounsyy but she's not a nazii. You know what what I mean xD

Kasumi Gakunin · **11-16-2014, 12:39 AM**

The simple fact is, at this point in time on the topic of Doma, we don't have a lot of information. Lacey is an ex Garlean Shinobi who was trained by the Empire in Doma. This was my backstory for her about three months before the release of 2.4 and I had issues with Doman role players who insisted that a non-Doman wouldn't be trained as a ninja. I saw holes in the lore and it seemed viable to me that this could occur (and boy did 2.4 prove me right). It seems highly likely to me that there are lalafell in Othard since you see them in the Garlean Empire's army. If it's likely, I see no issue why it shouldn't be allowed.Â
At the end of the day it's your character, no one elses. Role play what makes you happy. There's always going to someone who wants to argue with you about lore but no one can have clear cut answers about a lot of things about Doma at this point in time.

Sounsyy · **11-16-2014, 12:53 AM**

(11-16-2014, 12:14 AM)Lilithium Wrote: In a game like this, I don't think one can really earn the title of a 'lore enthusiast' or 'lore nazi'. Save maybe Sounsyy but she's not a nazii. You know what what I mean xD

I'm proud to be apart of the group of XIV's loremongers. There's a few of us tho, more than most expect I think. ^^ But yeah, my sorta mantra is that I would much rather research lore to prove something is possible for someone, than cite one piece of lore saying it probably isn't. The lore may not be as accessible as possible, but it is there, and in good supply.

Miryn · **11-16-2014, 05:24 AM**

I'm going through a similar dance of eggshell-stepping as I prep Miryn's backstory as an ex-Ishgardian knight. There's a good pool of Ishgard lore to fish from with the Coerthas side quests and the recent main scenario stuff that I feel comfortable playing around with it, but who knows what Heavensward will bring. There's a good chance her background will contradict something, and I'm steeling myself for it.

Mainly, I am unsure how villainous the Dravanians actually are, and I'm hesitant to take Miryn's personal plot in the direction I have in mind until I find out. I'm just hoping right now I can keep her situation vague enough to suit any possible RP partners, at least until expac.

ArmachiA · **11-16-2014, 05:45 AM**

I have two rules:

1. Bend, never break. This lore is crazy it doesn't need to be broken so you can be the greatest mary sue who ever lived.

2. When you see something in lore that's supposed to be rare (Sephie, Echo, Allagan Eyes, Lady Iceheart) that doesn't mean you get to do that either. It's rare for a reason.

other than that. I dun care.

Yangh · **11-16-2014, 07:11 AM**

(11-15-2014, 06:05 PM)Gegenji Wrote:
(11-15-2014, 05:33 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: My advice, avoid these so called "Lore-Nazis" who are harassing you, cuz they don't know much lore. With the right combination of lore knowledge and common sense, most anything is possible. Hope this helps! ^^ Light the signal if you have more questions!
All great information indeed! Hopefully it'll be useful for others just as much as it has been for me. I was scrambling trying to make my story fit better and driving myself a little nutty, haha. I do like some of the clarifications that came from it (What happened to the Gegenjis after the razing, something I had put off to decide on until later), but it's nice to know that I wasn't causing the major roleplay faux pas I thought I was.

Its you! I defended you IC (and OOC) because I'd had this very conversation with Sounsyy a while back (I doubt she remembers... she only remembers the lap dance! Awww Yisss!).

I wasn't about to stand there and let someone first bully you IC and then try to bully you OOC also. Believe or not, i get a lot of this nonsense for playing the character i play but... they can firmly hold that giant 'L' to their chest while i have my fun!

Hope you enjoyed your first experience of RP! Big Grin

Hope to see you more!!

Gegenji · **11-16-2014, 10:24 AM**

(11-16-2014, 07:11 AM)Yangh Wrote: Its you!

/wave !

I actually played a Wild Elf Barbarian in a DnD game once who actually spoke a lot of broken Common ("He not use weapon, I not use weapon. Make fair." - quote when he got into a duel with a Monk), so it was fun watching your character converse. Thumbsup

Speaking of using the set lore (and feeling accomplished for doing so), I was amazed how much things clicked when I decided to have Chacha get a pet to keep him company. I was looking through the (obviously small) Minion list I had for him and came upon the baby behemoth. Sold in Ul'dah, questionable heritage, Chacha's naivity and capability to be fleeced, it all just... came together.

So now Chacha has a loyal (?) partner in his journey to be a great hero, his stalwart (?) companion Gran! Moogle

Seriously, though, I was amazed with how much it fit both with the presented minion lore and with Chacha's character.
( And he makes for a nice crutch/gimmick to use for the RPs, when needed. )

Jazz Egi · **11-16-2014, 07:15 PM**

I play lore rigidly if it is established. There is tons of stuff that will never be canonized, so I feel it i very easy to be creative with what we have.

I just wish people would understand why my little arcanist is terrified when they tell her they are a black mage or a summoner. A lot of new roleplayers (very understandably) believe black mages and white mages are the same as conjurers and thaumaturges since mechanically they sort of are.

Pouncival · **11-16-2014, 07:51 PM**

I... I do prefer to stick with lore when I can, but there's a lot not covered and a fair amount left vague- probably for the promise of future expansions and patches. Then there are cases of conflicting canon or crossover or semi-crossover bits like the Crystal Tower containing versions of characters from III or the Lightning quest set. Some of these things will be considered canon or not depending entirely on who you're talking to, and as a result it can open you up for a minefield of what's okay and what isn't. I know people in-game who think the Crystal Tower is a huge lore-breaker, and they refuse to acknowledge anything that occurs in or because of it as canon.

Â I don't mind bending the lore when I have to, and if I have to break it a tad for something to work (such as my 1.0 character ending up in the Dark Realm instead of being held out of time with everyone else from 1.0), I'll do it. Not to say I'm going to crack the lore wide open and plant magitek bombs in the corpse, but I don't care too much about a little gray canon. The lore will evolve constantly, of course, and there may come a time when a bend has to either be retconned or become a break. Just do as best you can, and don't waste your time worrying about the sort of Negative Nancies who want to give you hell over something like that.

Seriphyn · **11-16-2014, 10:53 PM**

(11-15-2014, 09:01 PM)Sastra Wrote: I don't tend to go out and "break" the lore, I am not really a fan of the idea that if I think something is a cool idea, I can just go out and do that without regard for the continuity and consistency in the world. So you wouldn't see me invent a new type of magic. But I do go in and study the lore when I have an idea and see how bendable it is, or if there's a hoop or even a gap. Depending on what I find, I may scrap or go ahead with an idea. It's a standard I keep myself to, and sure it's something I like to see other people do too - and I expect that of my FC, but they all know/agree with that. Otherwise it's nothing I force on people, but I do have my own steps to get out of RP I feel is too far away from what I can get involved in, and still keep to my standard. That doesn't make everyone who doesn't stick to it a baddie, I just know when it's time to go before things get too painful for everyone involved - It's generally a mutual waste of time if RP styles don't mix, imo.Â

I've always disliked it when someone calls others a lore-nazi or a tight elitist and similar, because I often find that it's simply people akin to myself who gets up being labelled exactly because we sometimes pull ourselves out of things. I'm sure there are bullies out there who will whisper you for 2 months about how you cant do this and that, it just sucks to be put into the same box with them when you're not like that yourself (even if you can see that you're not and all of that, it's the stigma in it really).Â

In your case, I'd probably have quirked an eyebrow and started googling/asking my geeks about stuff cause I'd be curious.Â

*puts two gil in a box*

I agree with this, I never felt it a "crime" to be a strict lore adherent.

At OP, put it this way. So far, the Domans we've met are Midlanders and Bunny-race. But I'm sure someone out there is going to play a Miqo'te Doman (for example, because people want to play Neko first and then whatever the hell second). And then Othard gets unlocked and we discover that Miqo'te just don't exist on Othard. You know, exactly like how each of the RL seven continents on planet Earth have a specific grouping of ethnicities. So building on that, being shown a Doman who is also a Miqo'te could be seen to be the same as a Nordic gentleman growing up in a remote Indian subcontinent village and being considered fully Indian.

Is it impossible? Of course not, it's not a hard science bound by the laws of the universe. But it would be very, very, very fucking strange, and I reserve the right to have my character be confused at that. These reactions should be considered more ordinary than playing a race from an area where that race is not prevalent. Instead, a character that reacts with confusion to an anomalous individual is considered the weird one.

Sounsyy · **11-16-2014, 11:21 PM**

(11-16-2014, 10:53 PM)Seriphyn Wrote: So far, the Domans we've met are Midlanders and Bunny-race.

Is it impossible? Of course not, it's not a hard science bound by the laws of the universe. But it would be very, very, very fucking strange, and I reserve the right to have my character be confused at that. These reactions should be considered more ordinary than playing a race from an area where that race is not prevalent. Instead, a character that reacts with confusion to an anomalous individual is considered the weird one.

I-I'm not sure I understand this...? This sounds like OOC into IC bleed.

How would Kale even know what races are prevalent in Doma? What reference does Kale have? Has Kale ever been to Doma? Is Kale a very well-read, foreign culture enthusiast?

My character has never been to Doma, she's never met a Doman, she's never met Yugiri, she was not privy to the MSQ surrounding Domans seeking asylum in Ul'dah. If a Lalafell gentleman approached my character and introduced himself as Doman, I can't think of a single IC reason to doubt his nationality.

Whether Lalafell truly are or are not a prevalent race in Othard is unknown, but I've already pointed out in this thread there is 1 Far Eastern Lalafell NPC in game, which brings the grand total of Far Eastern Lalafell to be equal to the number of Far Eastern whatever-race-Yugiri-is. So........ should I be doubting Yugiri is actually from the Far East since there's only one of her race in game and everyone else is Midlander?

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