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***Alothia*** · **03-20-2015, 08:18 AM**

The lore is built into the game for a reason, so that we don't have ten million special snowflakes running around saying that they're the daughter of this person, or a half vampire, half werewolf dragonkin, or whatever.Â

I know you want to take a fresh approach, and I applaud you for that, but in truth, you're not going to find many people who want to RP with you if you're a goddess from another world.Â

1. It doesn't fit in with the world or its lore, and so people are going to ignore that part of your story or ignore you.
2. It comes off as trying to be too special. What is wrong with being the daughter of a fisherman? That's what we are in game. We're adventurers. Sure, some have extenuating circumstances that have come about due to this or that. But the majority of us come from humble backgrounds.
3. You asked for advice. Please don't get upset when people give you advice based on what you asked.Â

If you want to help build an interesting background that fits in with the lore, we'd be happy to do that here with you. But throwing out the lore completely isn't something that's going to go over well.

ArmachiA · **03-20-2015, 08:20 AM**

It's not a mechanic. They actually built an entire world, with it's own story. Stories that are the characters realities. Elementals control the Succor. There are Twelve Gods. Bahamut almost destroyed the world 5-6 years ago. These aren't mechanics, these are things about the world that are the reality for all the characters living within it. None of those things have to do with the way the game is played, but the way the characters LIVE in the game. The lore isn't mechanics, its the living, breathing essence of the world.

Which you are choosing to ignore... so you can be a God.

The next time you ask if your character should be reworked, please actually don't get mad when people tell you "Yeah it should be"

Warren Castille · **03-20-2015, 08:22 AM**

Posting in a troll thread, etc:

1) Citing off-lore deities don't make for much sense in the general sense of things, but you're welcome to do that if that's the story you wish to tell.
1a) The people you interact with are also free to ignore it on account of there being no base in the world for it

2) White Magic in FFXIV isn't the conventional Healing Magic most people think of when referring to it. In XIV, White Magic is a very specific brand of magical power that is only given to very, very specific individuals. It's possible to cast healing magic without it being White Magic.
2a) The Elementals of XIV's world once created a near-extinction event due to use of that magic being used too much. It's not something to just assume you have permission to.

3) Most folks here prefer the world as it has been written. I'm sure I could come up with a convincing storyline that features the Harry Potter universe crossing over into XIV and do whatever I wanted, but it would be easier to just go roleplay in a Harry Potter setting.
3a) It's not a great idea to openly rip a character concept and just drop it into a new game. Have you considered Ragnarok Online as your roleplaying community?

ValkyrieRangris · **03-20-2015, 08:24 AM**

(03-20-2015, 08:20 AM)ArmachiA Wrote: It's not a mechanic. They actually built an entire world, with it's own story. Stories that are the characters realities. Elementals control the Succor. There are Twelve Gods. Bahamut almost destroyed the world 5-6 years ago. These aren't mechanics, these are things about the world that are the reality for all the characters living within it. None of those things have to do with the way the game is played, but the way the characters LIVE in the game. The lore isn't mechanics, its the living, breathing essence of the world.

Which you are choosing to ignore... so you can be a God.

The next time you ask if your character should be reworked, please actually don't get mad when people tell you "Yeah it should be"

I am not mad at all. I just expressed what I want to get out of roleplaying and came to the realization that this is not the right fit for me here,which there is nothing wrong with everyone has their own preferences. Thank you for time anyway but this will not be the right fit for what I enjoy.

Kage · **03-20-2015, 08:31 AM**

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But I decided to comment.

You will find that yes, most of the users on these forums, and in-game will be quite open to broad characters but usually ones that tend to er... run into the idea of crossing dimensions or world travels won't be treated kindly or lore-adherent. And almost everyone here would prefer to stick to lore-adherent roleplay.

This game's major draw is its story. The lore in it. While you think it is just the mechanics involved, this is not a game where people will build stories that do not mesh well trying to force your own creations into it. The expansion coming out in 3.0 will LOCK. People. Out. of the new areas based upon the stories and quests that have come out in 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4, 2.5 and soon 2.55.

Unfortunately, you will most likely not find people in the game with similar views unless you specifically ask for players who would RP only as a small group.

allgivenover · **03-20-2015, 08:35 AM**

Let's discard the special argument for a moment and just approach it from another way. What does this sort of background bring to the table in RP?

* She tells other characters where she came from and they say "oh wow", and then nothing happens.

* She tells other characters where she came from and they don't believe her, and then nothing happens.

My point is, it doesn't really add anything to the roleplay you'll actually be doing. It's just a special detail that makes her origin unique and cannot be used by anyone else or built upon because it has no grounding in the game lore, and thus no common acceptance.

ValkyrieRangris · **03-20-2015, 08:36 AM**

(03-20-2015, 08:22 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: Posting in a troll thread, etc:

1) Citing off-lore deities don't make for much sense in the general sense of things, but you're welcome to do that if that's the story you wish to tell.
1a) The people you interact with are also free to ignore it on account of there being no base in the world for it

2) White Magic in FFXIV isn't the conventional Healing Magic most people think of when referring to it. In XIV, White Magic is a very specific brand of magical power that is only given to very, very specific individuals. It's possible to cast healing magic without it being White Magic.
2a) The Elementals of XIV's world once created a near-extinction event due to use of that magic being used too much. It's not something to just assume you have permission to.

3) Most folks here prefer the world as it has been written. I'm sure I could come up with a convincing storyline that features the Harry Potter universe crossing over into XIV and do whatever I wanted, but it would be easier to just go roleplay in a Harry Potter setting.
3a) It's not a great idea to openly rip a character concept and just drop it into a new game. Have you considered Ragnarok Online as your roleplaying community?

Have not come across a roleplaying community for RO. I really enjoyed the plot for the game a lot but sadly the game is not the same as it use to be. Tried RO2 did not like it. I really like the gameplay for FFXIV and I have read into the lore along with playing some of the FF games but story is not for me. I am cool with others liking it I admire people with passion but it is just not for me. I really like SMT games and would love to see another SMT mmo.

Warren Castille · **03-20-2015, 08:42 AM**

(03-20-2015, 08:36 AM)ValkyrieRangris Wrote: Have not come across a roleplaying community for RO. I really enjoyed the plot for the game a lot but sadly the game is not the same as it use to be. Tried RO2 did not like it. I really like the gameplay for FFXIV and I have read into the lore along with playing some of the FF games but story is not for me. I am cool with others liking it I admire people with passion but it is just not for me. I really like SMT games and would love to see another SMT mmo.

Well... Hm. There's no real diplomatic way to put this, so bear with me.

If you approach other roleplayers with your character as-is and explain your backstory, everyone you meet will think you are completely insane. In fact, it would be like if you told anyone in real life that you were actually the goddess Rangris and you were Freya's chosen and you were banished to Earth by Odin because you revealed yourself.

The reason they would be the same reaction is because, to both real life and the game world of FFXIV, it is completely ridiculous. Imagine if you were playing Rangris in an actual RO setting and suddenly I rolled Mega Man into your game, claiming Dr. Light's lab had a malfunction and now I'm here to shoot bad guys? Or if Metroid suddenly appear and he started hunting bad guys?

My point is, the lore doesn't fit. You're again welcome to stay and try and find roleplay, but you're likely not going to find anyone willing to accept your character. That having been said, it does make a great basis for a completely insane character.

ArmachiA · **03-20-2015, 08:43 AM**

(03-20-2015, 08:35 AM)allgivenover Wrote: Let's discard the special argument for a moment and just approach it from another way. What does this sort of background bring to the table in RP?

* She tells other characters where she came from and they say "oh wow", and then nothing happens.

* She tells other characters where she came from and they don't believe her, and then nothing happens.

My point is, it doesn't really add anything to the roleplay you'll actually be doing. It's just a special detail that makes her origin unique and cannot be used by anyone else or built upon because it has no grounding in the game lore, and thus no common acceptance.

THe sad part is you can come up with a "special" character that's completely lore compliant if people don't like playing "normal" characters, but they never actually look into the lore with any depth to do so. They just see it as an obstacle and thats really sad Sad

Qhora Bajihri · **03-20-2015, 08:44 AM**

I'm generally okay with cross-dimensionality as a writing exercise or creativity builder, but people who I've roleplayed with who have gone with it have all eventually either shifted their character to be more in line with the overall accepted world in order to get more out of the community or packed up and left.

I wouldn't avoid roleplaying with someone because of lore breaking or cross-dimensionality, but what I would do is have my character react as they would, which is with sheer disbelief, and recommending the lunatic being locked away for their own safety. That's worked well with people who didn't need to be taken too seriously, and helped bring others to understand why they were being avoided.

I'd say there's no need for such rampant negativity, as criticisms can be worked into positive "tips", but the troll with this one is strong.

Berrod Armstrong · **03-20-2015, 08:45 AM**

My advice? Play as you like. The moment you start asking a 'community' of people to start deciding what you play is the moment you place your fun into someone else's hands.

You wanna play a norse goddess who has to start over as a mortal on Hydaelyn? Go for it! No, I mean it, go for it. The events prior to her banishment -- is that a word? -- are apart from the lore of the world you are going to be playing her in, so it's not really getting in the way of anything unless she's going to be prancing around declaring what she is and where she's from.Â

It's actually an interesting angle, I'm personally interested in seeing what you do with it; how you illustrate her struggles, her mental state, and how she copes, learns, grows and forms relationships in this 'new world'. The ONLY advice I'd give you on the finger-wagging side is just...don't run around screaming it out to everyone. That'll get really bad, really fast.Â

Even some the loremongers have their bit of lorebendery and lorebreakery going on, so in the end the only person in a proper position to judge, is you! In addition, so long as her origins remain under wraps and your character behaves like a denizen of Eorzea (or at least TRIES)...there's nothing different between roleplaying with her and roleplaying with some other fresh-faced, aethersick fresh-off-the-boat yahoo.

What you have done for your concept isn't something I'd do myself...I really like getting deep into the lore of a world and establishing a backstory within it. However! I wouldn't discourage you from trying that -- EVEN if it's just to learn from it. Have fun with it, yet understand that it is unusual and will require quite a bit of discretion to pull off. If you can't pull it off, it's not the end of the world; you can rewrite and try again.Â

Such is the nature of roleplaying and learning.

...and if you are a troll? Good one, lol.

Edit: My post was with regard to the backstory only, I didn't address the whitemagery.

Kage · **03-20-2015, 08:49 AM**

(03-20-2015, 08:42 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: Or if Metroid suddenly appear and he started hunting bad guys?

He is not a Metroid! /cry

The thing is, if you did RP with this backstory in mind it won't really do anything for the character. Her entire interactions with people will be them trying to get her put as insane, left in a refugee camp to rot, etc.

I mean, I've seen some super lore-bent backstories. One in particular that I know people in the RPC have a very negative view of way back when. It had -some- basis in lore with nothing that said it CANNOT be done but it was a big bend/stretch. In game they were given flack for it OOCly and many ICly acted appropriately when the story was revealed. They wanted the character killed, committed to an asylum etc. People were revolted.

ValkyrieRangris · **03-20-2015, 08:56 AM**

(03-20-2015, 08:45 AM)Berrod Armstrong Wrote: My advice? Play as you like. The moment you start asking a 'community' of people to start deciding what you play is the moment you place your fun into someone else's hands.

You wanna play a norse goddess who has to start over as a mortal on Hydaelyn? Go for it! No, I mean it, go for it. The events prior to her banishment -- is that a word? -- are apart from the lore of the world you are going to be playing her in, so it's not really getting in the way of anything unless she's going to be prancing around declaring what she is and where she's from.Â

It's actually an interesting angle, I'm personally interested in seeing what you do with it; how you illustrate her struggles, her mental state, and how she copes, learns, grows and forms relationships in this 'new world'. The ONLY advice I'd give you on the finger-wagging side is just...don't run around screaming it out to everyone. That'll get really bad, really fast.Â

Even some the loremongers have their bit of lorebendery and lorebreakery going on, so in the end the only person in a proper position to judge, is you! In addition, so long as her origins remain under wraps and your character behaves like a denizen of Eorzea (or at least TRIES)...there's nothing different between roleplaying with her and roleplaying with some other fresh-faced, aethersick fresh-off-the-boat yahoo.

What you have done for your concept isn't something I'd do myself...I really like getting deep into the lore of a world and establishing a backstory within it. However! I wouldn't discourage you from trying that -- EVEN if it's just to learn from it. Have fun with it, yet understand that it is unusual and will require quite a bit of discretion to pull off. If you can't pull it off, it's not the end of the world; you can rewrite and try again.Â

Such is the nature of roleplaying and learning.

...and if you are a troll? Good one, lol.

Edit: My post was with regard to the backstory only, I didn't address the whitemagery.

Finally someone who gets it!

I was not going to go running around saying I am a goddess from another planet, that is silly. The point of my character was to feel like a fresh start, because it is something new to me I have never roleplayed here so everything is new. I like to make characters I relate to I can not relate to something that I have not spent much time being around. Plus I really wanted to develop my character a lot, for Â her to be blank to the world. But I am kind of baffled that a lot of the people posting on this thread are seeing it as a personal attack or something. Kind of off putting to be honest.

Warren Castille · **03-20-2015, 08:59 AM**

(03-20-2015, 08:56 AM)ValkyrieRangris Wrote: But I am kind of baffled that a lot of the people posting on this thread are seeing it as a personal attack or something. Kind of off putting to be honest.

We have some defensive sorts here. Don't let it bug you.

ArmachiA · **03-20-2015, 09:01 AM**

No one is seeing it as a personal attack, we're discussing it's lore validity and how much people would want to interact with said person.

In all honesty, is there a reason why you can't go with a girl who has Amnesia? Or, if that's too normal for you, someone who was stuck in the void for a thousand years from Ampador and knows nothing about the new world? Or someone from Doma who knows nothing about Eorzea? Why a God? Why an EARTHEN God? You'd get the same results with a more lore compliant character.

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