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Coatleque · **04-12-2015, 10:05 AM**

I too echo the sentiment about no vampires/werewolves/demons. Otherwise, the concept looks good on paper. I could say from experience that this system would break down quickly due to peoples (in general) tendency to try and force others to agree with their character concepts. It also encourages more people to play within drawn boundaries of character design and closes off one's imagination.

Good idea from a personal gaming perspective.
Bad idea from a role-play community perspective.

K'nahli · **04-12-2015, 10:17 AM**

While I will always embrace new gear and emotes, I can't say that this idea has interested me at all, sadly. Least of all the vampire part. Plus, things like this worry me because it takes up more menu space and eventually it'll surely reach the point where they're reluctant to add more more menus/submenus for the sake of preventing clutter? And then I'll only be sad that any future and great ideas are harder to push through to the devs because more random ones got attention first.

That's just me though.

Flickering Ember · **04-12-2015, 10:41 AM**

My problem with this is there is enough content gated behind pointless quests already. I wouldn't mindvsn in game way to acquire more emotrs but I would like it to be similarly done to the Modern Aesthetics: Ponytail you get from Gold Saucer, something that can be achieved from new gameplay that isn't more....quests nnngh.

Sophia_Grave · **04-12-2015, 10:55 AM**

All we really need is a classless state where you can equip anything, as well as a few more RP-centric QoL additions. More small things like /cpose would be lovely, perhaps even the ability to use skills without a target. You don't need another menu for that, just some animations and /emotes to fire them.

K'nahli · **04-12-2015, 11:08 AM**

On that note, it makes me think of something that I sort of what to make a topic about but I really don't think it's topic-worthy, nor is it relevant to this topic either. Ufff..

In any case, that classless state idea sounds pretty nice. Not 'exactly' what I'd like(removal of class restrictions full-stop), of course, but certainly better than nothing.

Qhora Bajihri · **04-12-2015, 11:20 AM**

What's being proposed isn't too far off from the Postmoogle stuff in terms of content, I'd imagine. Fluff quests for people who enjoy fluff, with some fluff rewards. In terms of UI, it's pretty messy, and seems to be wanting to be more important than it would be.

I also don't like the idea of it taking some classes or concepts out of play for future expansions. They give us a dancer disciple of art, and then dancer's locked out of being playable? Several FFXI expacs went by before there was such thing as dancer in that game. No sense locking anything away from future possibilities.

Fluff quests with emotes and decorative gear rewards are already in play. Would we like more? Of course. Could decorative gear and emotes be more flexible and user friendly? Yep. Do such things need to be pushed and organized in a class system? I don't think so.

Aris · **04-12-2015, 11:30 AM**

I'm not fond of the idea either. I agree with Bryn's thoughts - more animations/props are all we need really, and they're much easier to implement and available to everyone.

Temmi · **04-12-2015, 11:43 AM**

Gotta add my name to the list of people who wouldn't support this. I love the idea of implementing things for roleplay, don't get me wrong, but... I know I don't want to see even more stuff gated by classes.

Just give us a few more sets of skimpy "dancer clothing" and another persistent dance emote or two. No need to lock that content behind a bunch of quests and make that cool gear only usable by the Dancer Class.

My inner pessimist would also like to add that we don't even have a proper, official roleplay server. Is SE really going to implement something of this magnitude that benefits no one besides roleplayers? I think not.

K'nahli · **04-12-2015, 11:55 AM**

(04-12-2015, 11:43 AM)Temariah Wrote: Gotta add my name to the list of people who wouldn't support this. I love the idea of implementing things for roleplay, don't get me wrong, but... I know I don't want to see even more stuff gated by classes.

Just give us a few more sets of skimpy "dancer clothing" and another persistent dance emote or two. No need to lock that content behind a bunch of quests and make that cool gear only usable by the Dancer Class.

My inner pessimist would also like to add that we don't even have a proper, official roleplay server. Is SE really going to implement something of this magnitude that benefits no one besides roleplayers? I think not.

That always gets me about suggestions like this now that you mention it. I dislike when people use the term roleplay and don't really provide many reasons why non-roleplayers might like it. There's a lot of ignorance and closed-mindedness in every community, ffxiv included, so I can't help but think of all the people whom would stop reading a topic regarding something they might actually like to support, all because:

"Ugh, roleplayers..."

Generally speaking, I don't feel great about ideas centred around roleplayers, as much as I may love the concept itself. We're still the minority so we need to find reasons for other people to feel enthused about it as well.

Wymsical · **04-12-2015, 12:15 PM**

After looking through that thread, my first thought was: that person played TESO. That's pretty much exactly how that game handles unique states of being and additional skills like vampires, werewolves, Mages Guild, ect. But TESO has a completely different method of handling skills and emotes from XIV and I honestly think incorporating that idea would just add a bunch of needless clutter to a very specifically designed system (also, looking through that thread, the person suggesting it clearly just wants vampires).

The non-combat state where you can equip everything would be more than enough and that does seem rather unlikely to be implemented. What we should be asking for, in my opinion, is more quests for neat emotes, more /cpose, more cosmetic items and more facepaint/features options that add neat looks, scars and suchlike.

Kyrio Lamansque · **04-12-2015, 01:03 PM**

(04-12-2015, 08:22 AM)Bryn Wrote: (no vampires please dear god the last thing I want is to have to dodge sex-obsessed vampire edge-lords in the quicksand. I don't want to go back to Goldshire, thanks)

This, this, this. So much this.

K'nahli · **04-12-2015, 01:22 PM**

(04-12-2015, 12:15 PM)Wymsical Wrote: After looking through that thread, my first thought was: that person played TESO. That's pretty much exactly how that game handles unique states of being and additional skills like vampires, werewolves, Mages Guild, ect. But TESO has a completely different method of handling skills and emotes from XIV and I honestly think incorporating that idea would just add a bunch of needless clutter to a very specifically designed system (also, looking through that thread, the person suggesting it clearly just wants vampires).

The non-combat state where you can equip everything would be more than enough and that does seem rather unlikely to be implemented. What we should be asking for, in my opinion, is more quests for neat emotes, more /cpose, more cosmetic items and more facepaint/features options that add neat looks, scars and suchlike.

Okay, since yet another personÂ has mentioned this, I hope you don't mind if I ask something of mild relation for a moment, Erik; on it's own, I have my doubts that it's topic worthy really.

I love emotes. I want as many as possible, including all of the missing expressions you see in cutscenes but cannot activate manually.

Buuut.... my fear is that they'll never actually add "many" more. Maybe just one or two the odd time that are relevant to some quest(like Hildebrand) and that's it. The emote menu is already fairly long as is and I have my doubts that they'll add an "Extras" tab where people who don't mind having a super long list can access tons more. This especially applies to /cpose. You could add so much more there, including sharing some of the other race's versions but then that would make the /cpose cycle(manual use) long and tedious for many I imagine.... unless they allowed you to select your favourite five from a list or so, but again... that's just very wishful thinking on my end.

Erik Mynhier · **04-12-2015, 01:59 PM**

I really wasn't focusing so much on the vampire thing as everyone else. I found the quest rewarded unique gear and emotes to be a fresh idea. And I was really impressed by the level of detail the idea-maker put into it.

Sure some of it wasn't great but she got my support as she had a good idea that could be refined by the developers into something workable. That was why I asked to up her post. So the DEVs would see it and maybe implement some of the better parts of the idea is all. You are of course not obligated to support her. I am sorry if you all took it that way.

allgivenover · **04-12-2015, 02:05 PM**

All of this is extremely unnecessary. Just give us more stuff to glamour and emotes, then let people decide what to label themselves. Turning that into hard mechanics is incredibly unnecessary and a huge waste of the dev team's time.

Also, how horrifying to think there'd be a vampire or demon class. Horrifying.

Parvacake · **04-12-2015, 02:09 PM**

If people aren't fond of the idea, that's all well and good. But posting on here just to say you won't support it when the OP is simply trying to promote what he sees as a good idea seems kind of...I don't know...meh? If you don't like it and don't want to support it, then go about your business. No need to make this all into something negative.

I personally think, if done well, it could be fun. My family is big into MMOs like my sister and stepdad and my sister especially is one of those who loves goofy shit like this. It reminds me of some of the items they implemented in GW2 like the bobblehead factory and the random boxes that can turn you into a giant or into a mini or into a stuffed gryphon. The megaserver BS they brought in made players mix more together, and sometimes running through the main plaza watching people mess with this stuff for the sake of taking silly screenshots or even for RP is amusing.

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