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Warren Castille · **07-11-2015, 04:32 AM**

(07-11-2015, 04:28 AM)OttoVann Wrote: The flip-side to the shitpost arguments being thrown around about keySaiyans, is that to me, there is something wrong with a dogged pursuit of playing the mundane, and being mad when everyone also ins't mundane alongside you. The RPC has a big problem with this and its general "meta". Be mundane, OR ELSE you get this thread in so many words.

As the liable target you're shotgunning, it's not that.

I just don't think that people should rollover on concepts and go "Well this is totally normal!" when you're talking about dimensional-hopping off-worlders. Lord knows I play a no-special-powers guy and I'm not trying to enforce some sort of meta limit, but playing someone from XI is tantamount to playing someone from any other dimension of fiction because they are all as equally-represented in XIV, which is to say they are not at all represented in XIV..

Dis · **07-11-2015, 04:33 AM**

(07-11-2015, 04:26 AM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(07-11-2015, 04:22 AM)Glioca Sargonnai Wrote: I think there's a large difference in someone from a similar world (XI and XIV) and someone from a world so drastically different (Earth, or whatever the GoT world is called, I don't watch it).Â

I never played XI personally, so I can't attest to how similar they are, but the races are in some aspects similar and yet different.

As someone who did play XI, a lot, I can go on record as saying Vana'diel has as much in common with Eorzea as <insert whatever fantasy world you want right here>.

Aside from the races looking sort of similar, there's nothing at all that repeats from XI to XIV. That's why I was pointing out that XI is as admissible as Marvel and WWE and DC and Whatever are.

Someone from XI might have seen a Chocobo, but someone from Middle Earth might be more familiar with giant chickens too. It doesn't work too great when you get down to it.

But it does work, that's the point.Â In this case, it does work, and there's a period of adjustment, and it's the character himself who has the largest adjustment to do, not everyone around him.Â Looking at it from a purely character perspective, he's the one who has to get used to the fact he's not in the same world.Â Hell, maybe that character wants to find a way home some day.Â

Now that's an RP plot for you.Â Getting dozens of people involved to try and create a ritual fused with Allag technology to try and open up a dimensional rift to blindly send someone home across dimensions.Â

There are literally dozens of ways this RP could go, and multiple ways that character could positively influence the plots and stories that stem from his existence.Â But no one wants to take those things into account.Â They just want to slap the same stigma onto his traveling character as someone who tried to play Jon Snow, to take from an earlier example.

The thing about allowances is they're made for a reason.Â If someone wants to make a character who is to their core from Eorzea, awesome.Â I have six other characters that are from Eorzea, who I RP when I can and when I'm in that mood.Â Hell, talking to Glioca ICly most would never know she wasn't from Eorzea unless I specifically stated 'This character is a world traveler'.Â But I still deal with that same stigma from people who look at the concept and go 'Meh, it's not normal, I don't want to deal with it.'

We're a community of creators and writers.Â Things like plot twists and unique hooks should be nothing for us to deal with on a conceptual level.Â Why do we levy so hard against something that's not out of the batch of round cookies, when someone tries to make a cookie that's slightly square?

[sub]Don't ask how I got square cookies, they spread out too much and I ended up with a flat sheet that I had to cut into squares.Â Shut up, my oven sucks. ._.[/sub]

Zedrick Pendragon · **07-11-2015, 04:33 AM**

(07-11-2015, 04:26 AM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(07-11-2015, 04:22 AM)Glioca Sargonnai Wrote: I think there's a large difference in someone from a similar world (XI and XIV) and someone from a world so drastically different (Earth, or whatever the GoT world is called, I don't watch it).Â

I never played XI personally, so I can't attest to how similar they are, but the races are in some aspects similar and yet different.

As someone who did play XI, a lot, I can go on record as saying Vana'diel has as much in common with Eorzea as <insert whatever fantasy world you want right here>.

Aside from the races looking sort of similar, there's nothing at all that repeats from XI to XIV. That's why I was pointing out that XI is as admissible as Marvel and WWE and DC and Whatever are.

Someone from XI might have seen a Chocobo, but someone from Middle Earth might be more familiar with giant chickens too. It doesn't work too great when you get down to it.

Seriously GTFO a FUCKEN CHOCOBO IS A FUCKEN CHOCOBO! THE RESEMBLANCE IS OBVIOUS.

Seriously this guy.... playing someone from FFXI is not the same as playing someone from middle earth.

Warren Castille · **07-11-2015, 04:38 AM**

(07-11-2015, 04:33 AM)Zedrick Pendragon Wrote: Seriously GTFO a FUCKEN CHOCOBO IS A FUCKEN CHOCOBO! THE RESEMBLANCE IS OBVIOUS.

Seriously this guy.... playing someone from FFXI is not the same as playing someone from middle earth.

Am I being trolled right now?

Playing someone from <not FFXIV fiction> is the same as playing <someone from not FFXIV fiction> at a base level.

If you're also from FF-but-not-XIV-fiction you're got maybe a slight benefit of the doubt, but you're still in a world not unlike your own at all, save for the giant chickens. There's no Bastok equivalent. There aren't event beastmen equivalents. There are chocobos, and sort-of similar races, and that's it.

Just like there are elves and dwarves and orcs in Middle Earth. Almost sort-of the same things. Not quite.

Paradox · **07-11-2015, 04:39 AM**

Quote:there is something wrong with a dogged pursuit of playing the mundane, and being mad when everyone also ins't mundane alongside you. The RPC has a big problem with this and its general "meta". Be mundane, OR ELSE you get this thread in so many words.

So much this. But it isn't even the mundane meta that's the problem. It's this idea that if someone does something you don't like, it's automatically bad and has to be 'fixed'. Because an individual has an idea of how Rp should work, how their standards are set up, that you are automatically bad. For people with so much creativity, so many are quick to discount their credibility as roleplayers because an idea doesn't fit with how they think a lore works. Some things are fuzzy and have grey borders. If you think an idea is bad, that doesn't mean it 'needs to be improved'. It means you think it needs to be improved, which is not the same thing.

At this point folks, it's turning into a lot of snark, condescension, and headbutting. And a lot of it's gotten seriously off topic from the original point entirely. So that being said, I think I'm going to remove myself from the discussion as it's gone out of discussion territory and into another fight about what kind of RP is bad and what isn't, which wasn't the point of OP's question. Cheers.

Gharen · **07-11-2015, 04:41 AM**

So I'm going to mention this having not read the majority of the posts because frankly, it sounds like there was a lot of trolling, anyway it may have already been brought up as a result.

SE has pretty much confirmed that Final Fantasy's very own version of Deadpool AKA Gilgamesh is the same character across all versions of the game he has appeared in, starting in FFV.

(I haven't played V so someone correct me if I'm wrong about this next fact.) He is able to visit all these various worlds because he was banished to the Void by Exdeath, and all of the final fantasy worlds are linked by the void.

So it's not impossible for your character to have been from XI, just come up with a really good reason for them to be here, I would however, expect some other players to not acknowledge this fact about your character, and potentially treat your character like a crazy person.

Also If that character is a Mithra, or Galka, or Taru, I'd recommend coming up with a reason as to why your character now looks like a Miqo, Roe, or Lala. It might make life in the long run easier.

Boo the Hamster · **07-11-2015, 04:41 AM**

Well, if you did want to be from XI specifically, there is the idea that one would have to be a master of magic akin to Shantotto to come out of the other side intact. if the event had anything to say about it.Â It really depends on what kind of character you want to be.Â Normally I'd say that ordinary characters tend to make a more interesting story than main hero x/y/z, but let's make an exception with yours for the sake of argument.

Otherwise, you'd have to enter through the void, and somehow have a portal open up from the realm of XIV which beings such as the Cloud of Darkness or other void beings of similar power are the only ones able to do so far as far as I'm aware (I could be wrong in this, but that's how good my memory is right now).Â Or have some god-like being transport you to Eorzea, but with what price?

It's not really a question of how as more of why you want this story.Â I'm not a big fan of these stories, but to say it is impossible is false.Â It's just the matter of circumstances being so out of this world that simply going 'I'm from Vana'diel because blahblahblah' immediately would drive most people away from how absurd it sounds IC.Â Does that mean it isn't interesting OOC?Â Not necessarily if it is well written.Â It's just a high-fantasy theme, which may or may not work with others RP.

Edit: Actually forgot about Gilgamesh, see above.

OttoVann · **07-11-2015, 04:43 AM**

(07-11-2015, 04:32 AM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(07-11-2015, 04:28 AM)OttoVann Wrote: The flip-side to the shitpost arguments being thrown around about keySaiyans, is that to me, there is something wrong with a dogged pursuit of playing the mundane, and being mad when everyone also ins't mundane alongside you. The RPC has a big problem with this and its general "meta". Be mundane, OR ELSE you get this thread in so many words.

As the liable target you're shotgunning, it's not that.

I just don't think that people should rollover on concepts and go "Well this is totally normal!" when you're talking about dimensional-hopping off-worlders. Lord knows I play a no-special-powers guy and I'm not trying to enforce some sort of meta limit, but playing someone from XI is tantamount to playing someone from any other dimension of fiction because they are all as equally-represented in XIV, which is to say they are not at all represented in XIV..

Well, its not purely you I just laughed at your saiyan shit. The RPC in general is super "anti-special" and I really do understand it, even I have my limits. Im not even a god-mode powergaming whatever, but damn man if you are a nail that sticks up the RPC as a whole loves to come down on it and jerk you to their average power level, which is a level that falls between functionally retarded to IQ of 110 at the most - on average.

That sounds vitriolic from my side, and it is, but its also shaded with truth.

Sin · **07-11-2015, 04:43 AM**

(07-11-2015, 04:39 AM)A Wrote:
Quote:there is something wrong with a dogged pursuit of playing the mundane, and being mad when everyone also ins't mundane alongside you. The RPC has a big problem with this and its general "meta". Be mundane, OR ELSE you get this thread in so many words.

So much this. But it isn't even the mundane meta that's the problem. It's this idea that if someone does something you don't like, it's automatically bad and has to be 'fixed'. Because an individual has an idea of how Rp should work, how their standards are set up, that you are automatically bad. For people with so much creativity, so many are quick to discount their credibility as roleplayers because an idea doesn't fit with how they think a lore works. Some things are fuzzy and have grey borders. If you think an idea is bad, that doesn't mean it 'needs to be improved'. It means you think it needs to be improved, which is not the same thing.

At this point folks, it's turning into a lot of snark, condescension, and headbutting. And a lot of it's gotten seriously off topic from the original point entirely. So that being said, I think I'm going to remove myself from the discussion as it's gone out of discussion territory and into another fight about what kind of RP is bad and what isn't, which wasn't the point of OP's question. Cheers.

No, not this at all. No this at all. That's not even remotely close to what's happening in this thread.

OP asked for thoughts.

I mean that's it really. It's that simple. No witchhunts, no metagame, no grand mundane crusade.

You ask for thoughts. You get thoughts.

Shuck · **07-11-2015, 04:43 AM**

(07-11-2015, 04:29 AM)Zedrick Pendragon Wrote: As mush as you try to argue that "I don't like it" is a credible reason for posting an opinion you are a troll. I didn't ask for babying, I'm clearly stating plausibility of my Character coming from FFXI and how it's not so far fetched as everyone makes it seem.

...When? When did you state how it would be plausible? I would sincerely like to read this.

(07-11-2015, 04:29 AM)Zedrick Pendragon Wrote: Everyone else is blowing it out of proportion stating the reason's why I should is because it's stupid. I want a good reason as to why a back story like this isn't Plausible. Which none of they Nay Sayers have been able to achieve. I'm not looking to be special, or be the time travelling world hopping hero. Understand that his displacement where a sheer acident and he's just a displaced man trying to figure out where, when and how of it all. To see if there's any possibility of getting home.

Where is the plausibility in getting there in the first place? We'll get to why it's not really super grand in a second. I want to be sure to be as clear as possible.

(07-11-2015, 04:29 AM)Zedrick Pendragon Wrote: The fact that no one can prove to me why this isn't Plausible beyond the "It's two different games" and the "It's just plain dumb" Doesn't deter me from my course. In fact it merely strength's my resolve that this is a plausible and interesting storyline. There are very striking similarities between both games that would allow for this to be possible and not overtly out of place. So again why wouldn't this back story work?

This is a ridiculous stance to take. "You told me it's not a good idea, so it must be!" That's not...even anywhere close to a reasonable thing to do with any kind of conversation. Particularly not one that you initiated. People are conversing. This is what you asked for. Now. Here's some more of what you asked for:

Crossing dimensions for a single individual without meaning to has been shown, beyond a shadow of a doubt, to not be a thing that happens in Eorzea. The only person who's come on over on their own is Shantotto. This happened directly in the wake of Bahamut showing up, and the world being re-made as a whole. She managed to hop over for a little bit, and then was sent packing. It was a big, huge deal. So big and huge that it'd be pretty much impossible, with the world on high-alert, and your guy as clueless as they are to the workings of Eorzea, for a hitchiker to slip on by.

We did not like Shantotto wrecking our stuff. We were looking for others like her, because wow, let's not have that happen again.

The other crossover event was a more massive kind of tear. All sorts of machines and stuff came over with Lightning. There was an effort to get rid of those. And then they were gotten rid of.

So. On the plausibility bit, we have the following:

1. Your guy would have to be as powerful as Shantotto to do this on purpose. Good chance they're totally not, given that she's a pretty important character, and the world he was from would notice if he were anything approaching Shantotto. It didn't. We know this full and well.

2. If your guy was a hitchiker, he'd have been part of an immediate, violent purging in the wake of Shantotto.

3. If he came over by accident, it wouldn't just be him, and again, everyone would know about another world-rip thing happening, because the last time, it meant a bunch of scary robots.

4. We wind up back at the violent, immediate purge.

So. Aside from it being in what I consider to be poor taste, and aside from it being what I consider to be unimaginative and goofy, that's what I got.

Why do you think this is plausible and reasonable? Again. Sincere question. I really do want to know.

Warren Castille · **07-11-2015, 04:48 AM**

(07-11-2015, 04:43 AM)OttoVann Wrote: Well, its not purely you I just laughed at your saiyan shit. The RPC in general is super "anti-special" and I really do understand it, even I have my limits. Im not even a god-mode powergaming whatever, but damn man if you are a nail that sticks up the RPC as a whole loves to come down on it and jerk you to their average power level, which is a level that falls between functionally retarded to IQ of 110 at the most - on average.

That sounds vitriolic from my side, and it is, but its also shaded with truth.

...what? I'm not talking about overall power level here, just remarking that XI world-portals are as logical as anything else.

OttoVann · **07-11-2015, 04:49 AM**

(07-11-2015, 04:48 AM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(07-11-2015, 04:43 AM)OttoVann Wrote: Well, its not purely you I just laughed at your saiyan shit. The RPC in general is super "anti-special" and I really do understand it, even I have my limits. Im not even a god-mode powergaming whatever, but damn man if you are a nail that sticks up the RPC as a whole loves to come down on it and jerk you to their average power level, which is a level that falls between functionally retarded to IQ of 110 at the most - on average.

That sounds vitriolic from my side, and it is, but its also shaded with truth.

...what? I'm not talking about overall power level here, just remarking that XI world-portals are as logical as anything else.

And I'm just explaining why I said what I said m8.

Mercer · **07-11-2015, 04:51 AM**

The issue does not stem from your character concept, Zedrick. The issue stems from what people want to RP with. You are as free to make whatever character you like as anyone else on the forum or in the game is. For some people, they look for a certain mood or atmosphere to RP in.

In my personal case, playing with an extra-planar character just doesn't fit the mood and atmosphere I enjoy. It's no insult to you, your character or your role playing ability it's simply not for me. Just as much as it's your right to play a character you enjoy it's just as much my right to say no thank you.

I understand you are passionate about your character and concept. I hope you're able to find the free company and RP group that would be happy to include you. I would suggest looking in the linkshell hall or if you have run out of resources, perhaps making a free company of your own so you can set the mood that you enjoy.Â

Who knows maybe there is a silent minority out there clamoring for such a niche.

**Unnamed Mercenary** · **07-11-2015, 04:52 AM**

The worlds are different. You character might recognize some familiar sights, but it'd be about as comforting as being dropped off in another country where you know none of the people, none of the language and none of the culture.

Is that something you want to put your character through? Is that something you want to put other people's characters through?

I think the naysayers have made it pretty clear. They can't and won't stop you from RPing that scenario. They just won't be a part of it. As they themselves likely RP with people of similar mindset, there are no people or groups to recommend.

[[mod note]]

That said, this thread has continued to go off-topic and people are

We're done here.

Thread is locked until I can have some other mods take a look and figure out how we want to handle this.

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