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LiadansWhisper LiadansWhisper Find all posts by this user Out of Mana Posts:2,829 Joined:Jul 2013 Character:Liadan Summerfield Linkshell:Roll Eorzea Server:Balmung Reputation: 440 Timezone:UTC-6 RE: RP issue with White Mage | #61 07-12-2015, 05:05 PM (This post was last modified: 07-12-2015, 05:05 PM by LiadansWhisper.) (07-12-2015, 05:02 PM)War Siren Wrote: Back on topic: I like Hammersmith's Idea. I mean is it really such a stretch for common folk to think a strong Conjurer is a White Mage and buy it? I'd have to imagine they wouldn't have to much knowledge of the intricacies of it. As someone else pointed out (I think it was Sounsyy!), since the magic has been forbidden for something like 500+ years, why would they even know what a White Mage is? I think it would make a tad more sense for them to think that perhaps the Conjurer was a Hearer (assuming that they are Gridanian and know what a Hearer is). { Wiki ~ Tumblr } Until I die I'll sing these songs On the shores of Babylon Still looking for a home In a world where I belong Where the weak are finally strong Where the righteous right the wrongs Still looking for a home In a world where I belong -- Switchfoot "Where I Belong"

Aduu Avagnar Aduu Avagnar Find all posts by this user Student of the Aetheric Posts:1,131 Joined:Jul 2013 Character:Aduu Avagnar Server:Balmung Reputation: 67 RE: RP issue with White Mage | #62 07-13-2015, 06:02 AM (This post was last modified: 07-13-2015, 06:02 AM by Aduu Avagnar.) If they ascribed the 'White Magic' good, 'Black Magic' bad approach, sure, but if they then went 'White Magic' succor, 'Black Magic' Draining the land, not really, due to the proscribed nature of the knowledge. Aduu Avagnar, The Wanderer: Wiki

Kellach Woods Kellach Woods Find all posts by this user IMMERSION RUINING INTENSIFIES Posts:2,380 Joined:May 2014 Character:Kellach Woods Linkshell:Subligars of Ishgard Server:Balmung Reputation: 189 RE: RP issue with White Mage | #63 07-13-2015, 06:13 AM (07-13-2015, 06:02 AM)Nako Wrote: If they ascribed the 'White Magic' good, 'Black Magic' bad approach, sure, but if they then went 'White Magic' succor, 'Black Magic' Draining the land, not really, due to the proscribed nature of the knowledge. There's at least one conjurer that ascribes to the former considering BLM 50-60. Main : Kellach Woods  CURRENT PROJECTS: Sigh... All 70

Aduu Avagnar Aduu Avagnar Find all posts by this user Student of the Aetheric Posts:1,131 Joined:Jul 2013 Character:Aduu Avagnar Server:Balmung Reputation: 67 RE: RP issue with White Mage | #64 07-13-2015, 06:42 AM (07-13-2015, 06:13 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: (07-13-2015, 06:02 AM)Nako Wrote: If they ascribed the 'White Magic' good, 'Black Magic' bad approach, sure, but if they then went 'White Magic' succor, 'Black Magic' Draining the land, not really, due to the proscribed nature of the knowledge. There's at least one conjurer that ascribes to the former considering BLM 50-60. not done the quests whats the gist? Aduu Avagnar, The Wanderer: Wiki

Tumensuns Tumensuns Find all posts by this user Junior Member Posts:30 Joined:Jun 2015 Character:Tumensuns Ugund Linkshell:Night Blades Server:Balmung Reputation: 9 Timezone:UTC-5 RE: RP issue with White Mage | #65 07-13-2015, 02:33 PM (This post was last modified: 07-13-2015, 02:34 PM by Tumensuns.) (07-13-2015, 06:42 AM)Nako Wrote: (07-13-2015, 06:13 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: (07-13-2015, 06:02 AM)Nako Wrote: If they ascribed the 'White Magic' good, 'Black Magic' bad approach, sure, but if they then went 'White Magic' succor, 'Black Magic' Draining the land, not really, due to the proscribed nature of the knowledge. There's at least one conjurer that ascribes to the former considering BLM 50-60. not done the quests whats the gist? Show Content spoilerThe conjurer is openly aware of black magic users, and so is the conjurers guild apparently because that's the mission they gave him, and he hunts them down to bring them to justice because black magic is bad, to him.

LiadansWhisper LiadansWhisper Find all posts by this user Out of Mana Posts:2,829 Joined:Jul 2013 Character:Liadan Summerfield Linkshell:Roll Eorzea Server:Balmung Reputation: 440 Timezone:UTC-6 RE: RP issue with White Mage | #66 07-13-2015, 07:43 PM (07-13-2015, 02:33 PM)Tumensuns Wrote: (07-13-2015, 06:42 AM)Nako Wrote: (07-13-2015, 06:13 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: (07-13-2015, 06:02 AM)Nako Wrote: If they ascribed the 'White Magic' good, 'Black Magic' bad approach, sure, but if they then went 'White Magic' succor, 'Black Magic' Draining the land, not really, due to the proscribed nature of the knowledge. There's at least one conjurer that ascribes to the former considering BLM 50-60. not done the quests whats the gist? Show Content spoilerThe conjurer is openly aware of black magic users, and so is the conjurers guild apparently because that's the mission they gave him, and he hunts them down to bring them to justice because black magic is bad, to him.   Show Content SpoilerWhen you consider the primary rule that Conjurers abide by (what is taken must be returned), it's not at all surprising. Liadan would totally agree. o_o  BLM bad! { Wiki ~ Tumblr } Until I die I'll sing these songs On the shores of Babylon Still looking for a home In a world where I belong Where the weak are finally strong Where the righteous right the wrongs Still looking for a home In a world where I belong -- Switchfoot "Where I Belong"

Aduu Avagnar Aduu Avagnar Find all posts by this user Student of the Aetheric Posts:1,131 Joined:Jul 2013 Character:Aduu Avagnar Server:Balmung Reputation: 67 RE: RP issue with White Mage | #67 07-13-2015, 08:20 PM (07-13-2015, 02:33 PM)Tumensuns Wrote: (07-13-2015, 06:42 AM)Nako Wrote: (07-13-2015, 06:13 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: (07-13-2015, 06:02 AM)Nako Wrote: If they ascribed the 'White Magic' good, 'Black Magic' bad approach, sure, but if they then went 'White Magic' succor, 'Black Magic' Draining the land, not really, due to the proscribed nature of the knowledge. There's at least one conjurer that ascribes to the former considering BLM 50-60. not done the quests whats the gist? Show Content spoilerThe conjurer is openly aware of black magic users, and so is the conjurers guild apparently because that's the mission they gave him, and he hunts them down to bring them to justice because black magic is bad, to him. I think there was a misunderstanding in what I meant. When I put 'White Magic' I was refering to soft, healy, kind magic, when I put 'Black Magic' I was refering to harsh, destructive painful magic. rather than the disciplines of Succor and Black Magic respectively. Aduu Avagnar, The Wanderer: Wiki

Sylentmana Sylentmana Find all posts by this user Swordless Samurai Posts:350 Joined:Aug 2013 Character:A'yana Kimar Server:Mateus Reputation: 43 RE: RP issue with White Mage | #68 07-14-2015, 09:39 AM Personally, I say as long as you have a convincing reason, then you can RP as any of the available jobs.  I've come across people who RP as jobs that aren't even the game (yet) such as Red Mages/Mystic Knights/Fencers. If they can play as something that isn't even in the game, then RPing as something that is shouldn't even be a matter of debate. That being said, it was my understanding that a person doesn't actually need the approval of the elementals to use conjury or white magic.  Gaining their approval simply makes it easier. After all, you often see people who would never gain the elementals approval using conjury (pirates in Limsa, Garleans, Amaal Ja). It doesn't seem like to far of a stretch that a person who is diligent in their studies of conjury or magic in general, could come across the methods in which to learn white magic. Having mained a conjurer/white mage before, it was my understanding that the elementals gave the padjal permission to teach me white magic. This implies that one could learn white magic without the elementals approval, but that person would risk their wrath within the Twelveswood. Finally, after looking into the subject and having played the black mage quests, I've come to the understanding that the only difference between a WTM and BLM is the method in which their aetheric energies are applied. Both are considered forbidden arts because both drained the aether from the land, they just shaped the energy differently. BLM also drained aether from the void as well as themselves and the surrounding area.

LiadansWhisper LiadansWhisper Find all posts by this user Out of Mana Posts:2,829 Joined:Jul 2013 Character:Liadan Summerfield Linkshell:Roll Eorzea Server:Balmung Reputation: 440 Timezone:UTC-6 RE: RP issue with White Mage | #69 07-14-2015, 10:02 AM (07-14-2015, 09:39 AM)Sylentmana Wrote: That being said, it was my understanding that a person doesn't actually need the approval of the elementals to use conjury or white magic.  Gaining their approval simply makes it easier. After all, you often see people who would never gain the elementals approval using conjury (pirates in Limsa, Garleans, Amaal Ja). It doesn't seem like to far of a stretch that a person who is diligent in their studies of conjury or magic in general, could come across the methods in which to learn white magic. You do not need the Elementals' approval to use Conjury.  In fact, it's described as one of the easiest schools of magic to learn and, like White Magic and Black Magic, uses ambient aether to fuel spells. However, Conjury and Succor aren't actually the same thing.  They're similar, but they're two different schools of magic (though I seem to recall Conjury being described as a "piece" of magic that the Elementals allow to be freely used without really monitoring it). You can, however, play whatever you want with your characters.  I think that's what I don't entirely get about these conversations.  It's your character.  Do what you want.  No one can tell you that you can't play something you want to play.  They may not like it, but that doesn't mean you can't play it.  Find people who do like it and play with them. { Wiki ~ Tumblr } Until I die I'll sing these songs On the shores of Babylon Still looking for a home In a world where I belong Where the weak are finally strong Where the righteous right the wrongs Still looking for a home In a world where I belong -- Switchfoot "Where I Belong"

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