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LiadansWhisper · **10-16-2015, 12:30 AM**

(10-15-2015, 07:52 PM)McBeefâ„¢ Wrote:
(10-15-2015, 07:48 PM)Edda Wrote: I am already prepping my annoying FFXII-themed macros for Void Ark.

We Sky Pirates now.
Yeah, void ark will rule (hopefully).

The gear looks really cool Big Grin

mongi291 · **10-16-2015, 12:39 AM**

(10-15-2015, 07:21 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:
(10-15-2015, 07:05 PM)Edgar Wrote:
(10-15-2015, 07:00 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:
(10-15-2015, 06:26 AM)mongi291 Wrote: I don't know what to expect. But I'm hyped, either way.
Even though I suspect we'll see Halone summoned as a primal, sooner or later, during 3.x.
I mean, we know from the Little Ala Mhigo story arc in 2.0 that even the Twelve can be summoned as primals (Wilred and the others planned to summon Rhalgr).

Uh...

No, they thought that's what they were doing. Â But, as I recall, they were deceived by the Ascians. Â There is no confirmation one way or another that what they thought they were summoning would actually have been Rhalgr as a primal.

From Final Fantasy Wikia:

Quote:Wilred is one of the residents of Little Ala Mihgo. While investigating the activities of theÂ Ascians, the Adventurer learns that several Ala Mhigan youths were being persuaded by one to summonÂ RhalgrÂ as a primal. Since a large volume of crystals is needed for the summoning, the Adventurer andÂ GundobaldÂ intervene before they recklessly try to raid theÂ Amalj'aa's supply.

Yes, I know that. Â But, they didn't succeed. Â Actually, they didn't even get far enough to start. Â We still haven't seen a single one of the Twelve actually summoned, as a primal or as anything else, and for all we know, the ritual the Ascians gave Wilred and his little friends wasn't even reaching for Rhalgr at all. Â These were not people well-versed in spell craft or summoning magic.

I'm merely pointing out that we have yet to see an actual member of the Twelve summoned at all. Â We've seen Beast Tribes' ancient "gods," and we've seen Shiva summoned (who was a real person). Â But no Twelve.

Even if someone did try, it would be a twisted, wrong version that sprang from the mind of the summoner, without any real connection to the Twelve as they are known.

Edited to Add: It shouldn't have to be said, but apparently it must be said, so, THIS IS ALL JUST MY OPINION OK? Â Ok.

Oh, I know primals are always a "wrong" version. Of course what would be summoned wouldn't be actually Halone, but just how they imagine her. I doubt the actual goddess would want to fight the Warrior of Light. But the thing is, only the WoL, Estinien, Iceheart, Alphinaud, Tiamat and the Ascians (maybe the Allagan, too?) know that primals aren't the actual gods/people/whatever.
EDIT: As far as we know.

LiadansWhisper · **10-16-2015, 01:10 AM**

(10-16-2015, 12:39 AM)mongi291 Wrote: Oh, I know primals are always a "wrong" version. Of course what would be summoned wouldn't be actually Halone, but just how they imagine her. I doubt the actual goddess would want to fight the Warrior of Light. But the thing is, only the WoL, Estinien, Iceheart, Alphinaud, Tiamat and the Ascians (maybe the Allagan, too?) know that primals aren't the actual gods/people/whatever.
EDIT: As far as we know.

Interestingly, Ramuh wasn't particularly enthused to fight the Warrior of Light. Â His only concern was genuinely the protection of the Sylphs. Â Once he was assured that the Warrior of Light would not hurt his Sylphs and that they would be protected, he was like, "okay bye."

Oli! · **10-16-2015, 01:19 AM**

Didn't Old Elf Wizard Guy summon the Twelve as Primals, only for them to get owned anyway?

McBeefâ„¢ · **10-16-2015, 01:22 AM**

(10-16-2015, 01:10 AM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:
(10-16-2015, 12:39 AM)mongi291 Wrote: Oh, I know primals are always a "wrong" version. Of course what would be summoned wouldn't be actually Halone, but just how they imagine her. I doubt the actual goddess would want to fight the Warrior of Light. But the thing is, only the WoL, Estinien, Iceheart, Alphinaud, Tiamat and the Ascians (maybe the Allagan, too?) know that primals aren't the actual gods/people/whatever.
EDIT: As far as we know.

Interestingly, Ramuh wasn't particularly enthused to fight the Warrior of Light. Â His only concern was genuinely the protection of the Sylphs. Â Once he was assured that the Warrior of Light would not hurt his Sylphs and that they would be protected, he was like, "okay bye."

There is some evidence that there is a great deal of difference between 'fake' and 'real' primals.

During the 1.0 cinematic, when the airship crashes into silvertear lake, you see all the primals escape as an allagan seal was broken. So there is some evidence that those primals /actually/ exist, and when they are summoned you get the /actual/ primal.Â

If the being does not exist (or is dead) some sort of copy is pulled from the aether (Bahamut, King Mog).

LiadansWhisper · **10-16-2015, 01:36 AM**

(10-16-2015, 01:19 AM)Oli! Wrote: Didn't Old Elf Wizard Guy summon the Twelve as Primals, only for them to get owned anyway?

I don't think so. Â He was actually after the actual Twelve to manifest as part of the power he needed to bind Bahamut. Â But the summoning would have killed Hydaelyn and that is why it failed.

(10-16-2015, 01:22 AM)McBeefâ„¢ Wrote: There is some evidence that there is a great deal of difference between 'fake' and 'real' primals.

During the 1.0 cinematic, when the airship crashes into silvertear lake, you see all the primals escape as an allagan seal was broken. So there is some evidence that those primals /actually/ exist, and when they are summoned you get the /actual/ primal.Â

If the being does not exist (or is dead) some sort of copy is pulled from the aether (Bahamut, King Mog).

I remember that scene. Â That's a really interesting point.

Kellach Woods · **10-16-2015, 04:51 PM**

GIVE. ME. REQUIREMENTS.

I need to know iLevel for Void Ark, for Islands and for 3.1 MSQ.

I refuse to get more hype until those are revealed.

Kage · **10-16-2015, 05:53 PM**

(10-16-2015, 04:51 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote: GIVE. ME. REQUIREMENTS.

I need to know iLevel for Void Ark, for Islands and for 3.1 MSQ.

I refuse to get more hype until those are revealed.

Void ark ilvl req was in the preview page. 175.

Kellach Woods · **10-16-2015, 06:58 PM**

Attainable easily on my main. I am therefore hype.
Granted good chance I won't step in there until I get all-60 DoW/DoM but y'know.

Jana · **10-16-2015, 07:07 PM**

(10-16-2015, 05:53 PM)Kage Wrote:
(10-16-2015, 04:51 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote: GIVE. ME. REQUIREMENTS.

I need to know iLevel for Void Ark, for Islands and for 3.1 MSQ.

I refuse to get more hype until those are revealed.

Void ark ilvl req was in the preview page. 175.

That seems really low this far into the patch. I hope it's not gonna be a snoozefest two weeks after release.

LiadansWhisper · **10-16-2015, 07:20 PM**

(10-16-2015, 07:07 PM)Jana Wrote:
(10-16-2015, 05:53 PM)Kage Wrote:
(10-16-2015, 04:51 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote: GIVE. ME. REQUIREMENTS.

I need to know iLevel for Void Ark, for Islands and for 3.1 MSQ.

I refuse to get more hype until those are revealed.

Void ark ilvl req was in the preview page. Â 175.

That seems really low this far into the patch. I hope it's not gonna be a snoozefest two weeks after release.

Well, um...it's designed to be pugged by 24 people. Â It honestly should be a snoozefest by the end of the first week.

Melkire · **10-16-2015, 07:28 PM**

24-man raid gear in FFXIV has always been designed and intended as bootstrap or "catch-up" gear, and has never been relevant to progression. LotA, ST, WoD... these always released after their respective "hardcore" progression 8-man raids, the gear was always behind, and the gear served as a temporary alternative to the progression-related tomestones of the time.

I would not expect Void Ark to be any different in these regards.

That said, there was an interview in which devs stated that airship exploratory missions might have a rare chance of dropping up to i210 aetherial gear, which would invalidate Alexander Savage unless the next leg of progression 8-man raiding is on the way... so who knows?

McBeefâ„¢ · **10-16-2015, 07:29 PM**

(10-16-2015, 07:28 PM)Melkire Wrote: That said, there was an interview in which devs stated that airship exploratory missions might have a rare chance of dropping up to i210 aetherial gear, which would invalidate Alexander Savage unless the next leg of progression 8-man raiding is on the way... so who knows?

Ummm invalidate it except for dick wagging rights.

Which Osric lets be real, is the only reason we do it.

Kellach Woods · **10-17-2015, 09:49 AM**

i'm sure you do it for theÂ
compelling story

Sounsyy · **10-17-2015, 12:24 PM**

(10-17-2015, 09:49 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: i'm sure you do it for theÂ
compelling story

I do it for the compelling drinking game: take a shot every time that xaela touches the scar on her face.

We get it SE! She has a scar there!

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