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V'aleera · **11-06-2015, 12:10 PM**

(11-06-2015, 11:19 AM)Kaiz Wrote: Legality is not a very strong metric for morality.

I think this post warrants repeating.

Sylentmana · **11-06-2015, 12:21 PM**

(11-06-2015, 12:10 PM)Valeera Wrote:
(11-06-2015, 11:19 AM)Kaiz Wrote: Legality is not a very strong metric for morality.

I think this post warrants repeating.

As I said, I'm arguing for legality, not morality. Though they do sometimes influence and intersect with one another.

*Edit* Looking back, I might not have actually pointed out that my posts were on the legality issues. I want to make it clear that the legality of prostitution is the point of my posts.

Zhavi · **11-06-2015, 12:49 PM**

(11-06-2015, 12:21 PM)Sylentmana Wrote:
(11-06-2015, 12:10 PM)Valeera Wrote:
(11-06-2015, 11:19 AM)Kaiz Wrote: Legality is not a very strong metric for morality.

I think this post warrants repeating.

As I said, I'm arguing for legality, not morality. Though they do sometimes influence and intersect with one another.

*Edit* Looking back, I might not have actually pointed out that my posts were on the legality issues. I want to make it clear that the legality of prostitution is the point of my posts.

You're using legality to make moral judgements.

V'aleera · **11-06-2015, 12:51 PM**

How do you feel about users of Marijuana in Colorado, who simultaneously act within the boundaries of one set of drug laws while violating another?

Should they be morally indicted or left be?

Madda · **11-06-2015, 01:08 PM**

As a late preface to this, Madda apologizes for what Madda seems to have been the cause ( or a factor ) in creating.Â

Off Topic: Can Madda request a thread of all the OP's weirdest stories from work?

Sylentmana · **11-06-2015, 01:17 PM**

(11-06-2015, 12:49 PM)Zhavi Wrote:
(11-06-2015, 12:21 PM)Sylentmana Wrote:
(11-06-2015, 12:10 PM)Valeera Wrote:
(11-06-2015, 11:19 AM)Kaiz Wrote: Legality is not a very strong metric for morality.

I think this post warrants repeating.

As I said, I'm arguing for legality, not morality. Though they do sometimes influence and intersect with one another.

*Edit* Looking back, I might not have actually pointed out that my posts were on the legality issues. I want to make it clear that the legality of prostitution is the point of my posts.

You're using legality to make moral judgements.

Which part of my statements do you consider to be a 'moral judgement'?

McBeefâ„¢ · **11-06-2015, 01:17 PM**

(11-06-2015, 11:07 AM)Berrod Armstrong Wrote:
(11-06-2015, 11:03 AM)Sylentmana Wrote: I don't understand why every fringe group that exists believes that its entitled to special treatment or consideration. With a few exceptions, prostitution is largely an illegal practice. As with other illegal activities, it is not deserving of respect.

Even in places where it is legal, its still going to be looked down on as the general view is that the prostitute is selling their personal dignity as a human for coin. It's not something to be admired.
I'm really disappointed in this response.

You know, when my mind is changed in threads like these, it's normally not because of the other side convincing me.

It's from the people who argue on my side, but for crazy fucked up reasons. Makes me sit back and think, "If the people who agree with me have opinions like this, maybe I'm on the wrong side."

Arrelaine · **11-06-2015, 01:21 PM**

(11-06-2015, 01:17 PM)McBeefâ„¢ Wrote:
(11-06-2015, 11:07 AM)Berrod Armstrong Wrote:
(11-06-2015, 11:03 AM)Sylentmana Wrote: I don't understand why every fringe group that exists believes that its entitled to special treatment or consideration. With a few exceptions, prostitution is largely an illegal practice. As with other illegal activities, it is not deserving of respect.

Even in places where it is legal, its still going to be looked down on as the general view is that the prostitute is selling their personal dignity as a human for coin. It's not something to be admired.
I'm really disappointed in this response.
You know, when my mind is changed in threads like these, it's normally not because of the other side convincing me.

It's from the people who argue on my side, but for crazy fucked up reasons. Makes me sit back and think, "If the people who agree with me have opinions like this, maybe I'm on the wrong side."

There are crazy people on both sides. If you look at the radicals to change your mind, you'll only be disappointed later when you find out there are just as many crazies as on the other side. No one pays attention to the reasonable and rational points.

Val · **11-06-2015, 01:26 PM**

(11-06-2015, 01:17 PM)McBeefâ„¢ Wrote:
(11-06-2015, 11:07 AM)Berrod Armstrong Wrote:
(11-06-2015, 11:03 AM)Sylentmana Wrote: I don't understand why every fringe group that exists believes that its entitled to special treatment or consideration. With a few exceptions, prostitution is largely an illegal practice. As with other illegal activities, it is not deserving of respect.

Even in places where it is legal, its still going to be looked down on as the general view is that the prostitute is selling their personal dignity as a human for coin. It's not something to be admired.
I'm really disappointed in this response.
You know, when my mind is changed in threads like these, it's normally not because of the other side convincing me.

It's from the people who argue on my side, but for crazy fucked up reasons. Makes me sit back and think, "If the people who agree with me have opinions like this, maybe I'm on the wrong side."

I think I can kind of see where you're coming from with this, only there's shitty people on both sides. There are those that are seeking to anger/cause problems on both sides, those that are just easily offended, and those that seriously have no self-awareness. Unfortunately there will be people that just completely ruin your side of thinking, and I try to avoid them or lump them into a category all on their own. WBC comes to mind as an example of this.

Edda · **11-06-2015, 01:27 PM**

(11-06-2015, 01:17 PM)Sylentmana Wrote:
(11-06-2015, 12:49 PM)Zhavi Wrote: You're using legality to make moral judgements.

Which part of my statements do you consider to be a 'moral judgement'?

(11-06-2015, 11:03 AM)Sylentmana Wrote: I don't understand why every fringe group that exists believes that its entitled to special treatment or consideration. With a few exceptions, prostitution is largely an illegal practice. As with other illegal activities, it is not deserving of respect.

Even in places where it is legal, its still going to be looked down on as the general view is that the prostitute is selling their personal dignity as a human for coin. It's not something to be admired.

(11-06-2015, 11:33 AM)Sylentmana Wrote: You speak of antiquated morals yet use ancient examples of morality? I don't make my arguments because I believe in Christian morals. I make them based on law and how humanity in general views the activity today. How prostitution was viewed in ancient cultures is irrelevant to the present.

As prostitution is an illegal act, it is deserving of no more respect than thieving. I'm not arguing that it's okay to harm prostitutes. Even as criminals, they deserve at least basic human rights. However, respect is earned, not given. Just because one demands respect, does not mean they have some inherent right to it.

Here you are.

Leggerless · **11-06-2015, 01:32 PM**

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Unless I'm wholly mistaken on terms, which I may be, prostitutes are a kind of sex worker rather than a replacement for the word sex worker.

What I'm trying to say is something like this:

Engineer = Sex worker
Chemical Engineer = Prostitute

Both operate in the same industry, yet the chemical engineer specializes within a certain part of the industry rather than the industry as a whole.

Edit: Yes, I'm saying you can use the word 'Prostitute'.

Val · **11-06-2015, 01:36 PM**

(11-06-2015, 01:32 PM)Leggerless Wrote:

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Off-topic*grabs popcorn*

Man this thread is really running its course. Hate to see it locked prematurely.

Unless I'm wholly mistaken on terms, which I may be, prostitutes are a kind of sex worker rather than a replacement for the word sex worker.

What I'm trying to say is something like this:

Engineer = Sex worker
Chemical Engineer = Prostitute

Both operate in the same industry, yet the chemical engineer specializes within a certain part of the industry rather than the industry as a whole.

Edit: Yes, I'm saying you can use the word 'Prostitute'.

Careful. I saw a post the other day (not on here) where engineers and architects were getting pissed other jobs were labeling themselves as engineers and architects. (They didn't want programmers calling themselves engineers or business/system architects)

McBeefâ„¢ · **11-06-2015, 01:37 PM**

(11-06-2015, 01:26 PM)Val Wrote:
(11-06-2015, 01:17 PM)McBeefâ„¢ Wrote:
(11-06-2015, 11:07 AM)Berrod Armstrong Wrote:
(11-06-2015, 11:03 AM)Sylentmana Wrote: I don't understand why every fringe group that exists believes that its entitled to special treatment or consideration. With a few exceptions, prostitution is largely an illegal practice. As with other illegal activities, it is not deserving of respect.

Even in places where it is legal, its still going to be looked down on as the general view is that the prostitute is selling their personal dignity as a human for coin. It's not something to be admired.
I'm really disappointed in this response.
You know, when my mind is changed in threads like these, it's normally not because of the other side convincing me.

It's from the people who argue on my side, but for crazy fucked up reasons. Makes me sit back and think, "If the people who agree with me have opinions like this, maybe I'm on the wrong side."

I think I can kind of see where you're coming from with this, only there's shitty people on both sides. There are those that are seeking to anger/cause problems on both sides, those that are just easily offended, and those that seriously have no self-awareness. Unfortunately there will be people that just completely ruin your side of thinking, and I try to avoid them or lump them into a category all on their own. WBC comes to mind as an example of this.

Yeah I know.

Just frustrating lol.Â

Every side is bad :C

Caspar · **11-06-2015, 01:39 PM**

(11-06-2015, 01:37 PM)McBeefâ„¢ Wrote:
(11-06-2015, 01:26 PM)Val Wrote:
(11-06-2015, 01:17 PM)McBeefâ„¢ Wrote:
(11-06-2015, 11:07 AM)Berrod Armstrong Wrote:
(11-06-2015, 11:03 AM)Sylentmana Wrote: I don't understand why every fringe group that exists believes that its entitled to special treatment or consideration. With a few exceptions, prostitution is largely an illegal practice. As with other illegal activities, it is not deserving of respect.

Even in places where it is legal, its still going to be looked down on as the general view is that the prostitute is selling their personal dignity as a human for coin. It's not something to be admired.
I'm really disappointed in this response.
You know, when my mind is changed in threads like these, it's normally not because of the other side convincing me.

It's from the people who argue on my side, but for crazy fucked up reasons. Makes me sit back and think, "If the people who agree with me have opinions like this, maybe I'm on the wrong side."

I think I can kind of see where you're coming from with this, only there's shitty people on both sides. There are those that are seeking to anger/cause problems on both sides, those that are just easily offended, and those that seriously have no self-awareness. Unfortunately there will be people that just completely ruin your side of thinking, and I try to avoid them or lump them into a category all on their own. WBC comes to mind as an example of this.
Yeah I know.

Just frustrating lol.Â

Every side is bad :C

I'm not keen on that way of thinking, but I agree with you the points brought up there bother me a lot.

Verad · **11-06-2015, 01:41 PM**

(11-06-2015, 11:03 AM)Sylentmana Wrote: Even in places where it is legal, its still going to be looked down on as the general view is that the prostitute is selling their personal dignity as a human for coin. It's not something to be admired.

Presuming for the sake of argument that you are correct, is dignity to be legally protected?

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