Well Turkey already warned Russia that if they kept violating Turkish air space, they would be met with force. This has been going on for a while. Turkey tried talking to Russia and asking them to back off, and Russia basically giggled and did whatever the hell it wanted to do. So I, for one, am not surprised at all that this happened.
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11-25-2015, 01:17 PM
The problem with these situations is that neither side thinks about the human lives being lost. Instead they treat it like something not human and only care about statistics and results. Meanwhile, innocent people who only wanted to live their lives in peace die because some "leaders" tucked away in their cushy offices and homes gave an order. War is stupid.
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11-25-2015, 07:43 PM
(11-25-2015, 06:30 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:Sylentmana Wrote: Irrelevant to the meaning behind my post. People are being killed because neither side is capable of seeing each other as humans. People are being killed when they should not be. That's all I care about. When, in the history of conflict, have we ever lent ourselves to treating our foes like human beings? We treated them like targets ready to pump full of bullets. It's not "silky" of anyone to assume this, because if you look in your history books, or hell, do a quick search on google, you'll see that dehumanization and military conflicts go hand in hand. You need to see some of this shit. WWII alone has enough embedded prejudice to support my argument a thousand times over. |
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11-25-2015, 07:52 PM
(11-25-2015, 07:43 PM)Edgar Wrote:(11-25-2015, 06:30 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:Sylentmana Wrote: Irrelevant to the meaning behind my post. People are being killed because neither side is capable of seeing each other as humans. People are being killed when they should not be. That's all I care about. Thanks for trying to educate ne, but I'm quite familiar with history, thanks. I feel like you're missing my point, so I'll just try to get it across again. People do terrible things to other human beings in a close and personal manner every day all over the world. It is not that they haven't intellectually understood that the guy they're roasting to death (thanks, Daesh!) isn't a human being. It's that they don't care. Or they feel justified. Or they want money or power more than they care for the life of another human being. And, again, Turkey didn't shoot down a Russian jet because they didn't think of Russian people as actual...you know...people. They shot it down because it violated their airspace. They warned Russia in advance multiple times. They warned the specific aircraft itself multiple times, and told them they would respond in force. Russia didn't ignore these warnings because they somehow forgot the Turks are human beings. They ignored the warnings because they thought they could get away with it (anyone who's dealt with a toddler will recognize this behavior). This time, they didn't get away with it. It's truly tragic thst the pilot died, but he WAS warned. Now let's hope this doesn't escalate because if Russia attacks Turkey, we're genuinely fucked. |
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11-25-2015, 08:24 PM
People see each other as humans.
Maybe this is mind blowing to some people, but you can see someone as human, kill them, and still not feel bad about it. That's what soldiers do. |
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11-25-2015, 09:15 PM
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11-25-2015, 09:44 PM
According to reports the Russians were in Turkish airspace for 17 seconds. As somone who use to push buttons and make things go boom, that is really a fast reaction even with ten warnings. Instant no restraints firing after the tenth and final warning is usually only for war time enemies.
And that said the Russians with ten warnings, at cruse speed had a good 4-7 minutes to change course (warnings start at 10 minutes out and are repeated every minute). At the look of the geography of that part of Turkey, the jets would have need 3 minutes to adjust course. As for all this both sides had more then enough room to avoid this drama. Feels like they want this fight, which sucks for us. All Turkey has to do is invoke their NATO privilege and we are off to the races. Hotheads with intertwined alliances is where World Wars come from kids. |
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