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Val · **03-16-2016, 07:46 PM**

(03-16-2016, 07:38 PM)Glioca Sargonnai Wrote:
(03-16-2016, 07:22 PM)Val Wrote:
(03-16-2016, 07:17 PM)Glioca Sargonnai Wrote: it stands to reason that there are people who are gifted or skilled enough to battle alongside the WoL, even if not specifically shoulder-to-shoulder with him/her/them, and those should and can also be player characters.Â

I'm just going to have to respectfully disagree with this. No characters should ever fight alongside/interact with the Warrior of Light, shoulder-to-shoulder or not. You couldÂ make a character that is powerful enough to stand toe to toe with a primal solo. But why would you? Not only does that not sound remotely entertaining, but it's kind of taking a crap on all the other RPers in the world around you. I feel like it's kind of a respect thing. It's also the same reason (primarily for me, at least) that I abhor seeing people RP NPC characters in the middle of the city. No one can, or should, be able to stop them because they're powerful PC-RPed NPCs. If people want to RP them, do so privately. It's disrespectful to take them publicly.

I did specify that in scenarios like at Steps where there were more than just eight people fighting against the oncoming horde.Â Mercenary companies typically include people of all sorts of strength levels and capabilities.

That's all well and good, but my response was about the idea of being on the same power level as the Warrior of Light. If people wanna be at mass events, by all means. Just don't say your character saved the WoL or that you became his best friend or some other crap.

Dis · **03-16-2016, 07:54 PM**

Strictly 'as strong' as the Warrior of Light, then no, because it's obvious that the WoL has the specific blessing of Hydaelyn.Â That said, I definitely agree, none of this 'saving the WoL' or 'best friends' with him/her/them.Â I'm all for lore stretching, but that's more like lore snapping.

Kellach Woods · **03-16-2016, 07:56 PM**

I saved the WoL from hunger once.

Well, they looked hungry at the time and I was roasting some miqabobs.

Okay so maybe I just gave them one out of sheer fanboyism.

Paradox · **03-16-2016, 08:24 PM**

You know the funny thing? There's nothing that says you haven't met the WoL. But how would you *know* exactly? He/She/It is given menial jobs by 75% of the fucking population, ALL THE TIME. For all you know, you may have met them, asked them to fetch you something, like a barrel of squid, and paid them a pittance of gil because you really needed it, and it was a shop emergency. I'm just sayin. The peasants interact with the WoL daily. They just generally dunno who the fuck they are except 'this person solves problems'. For all anyone knows, YOU could be the Warrior of Light. Funny how that works just how the Devs said..

Food for thought.

Warren Castille · **03-16-2016, 10:10 PM**

Sliding scale of power, for sure, but it's probably something closer to 90% "normal" > 8% "adventurer" > 2% "superpower" > "WoL"

Roll a one million sided die. If you roll over 920,000 you can be awesome. If not, you're a part of the world and you die to FATE enemies.

(03-16-2016, 08:24 PM)Arklonn Sargonnai Wrote: You know the funny thing? There's nothing that says you haven't met the WoL. But how would you *know* exactly? He/She/It is given menial jobs by 75% of the fucking population, ALL THE TIME. For all you know, you may have met them, asked them to fetch you something, like a barrel of squid, and paid them a pittance of gil because you really needed it, and it was a shop emergency. I'm just sayin. The peasants interact with the WoL daily. They just generally dunno who the fuck they are except 'this person solves problems'. For all anyone knows, YOU could be the Warrior of Light. Funny how that works just how the Devs said..

Food for thought.

Again, debatable. We're given a clear list of the MSQ quests the WoL does. We're not questgivers. Anything beyond that is making it up as we go along.

Paradox · **03-16-2016, 10:26 PM**

Quote: Sliding scale of power, for sure, but it's probably something closer to 90% "normal" > 8% "adventurer" > 2% "superpower" > "WoL"

Roll a one million sided die. If you roll over 920,000 you can be awesome. If not, you're a part of the world and you die to FATE enemies.

Honestly, as long as they don't say 'I'm related to X NPC', or 'I'm best friends with X NPC' or 'I can drop any Primal/Dragon/etc with one hit all by myself' or whatnot, then they can be strong. Then they can be strong enough to help down a major enemy like a Primal or a dragon lieutenant. If they have the Echo or mooks to throw in front of them or anything, the Lore says it's possible, so I'm not going to tell them what they can and can't be. Not everyone wants to be the 'everyman', and saying someone is a bad roleplayer because they want to be strong is not only judgmental, but it's flat wrong. I've known many good roleplayers who've played strong characters. /shrug/ And 'strong' is also a matter of opinion and situation as well. This idea that a group of people can say 'you can only be awesome if we say so or X happens' is bad enough, but the fact people listen to it makes me even sadder. And it is policing, no matter how you spin it.

Warren Castille · **03-16-2016, 10:31 PM**

(03-16-2016, 10:26 PM)Arklonn Sargonnai Wrote:
Quote: Sliding scale of power, for sure, but it's probably something closer to 90% "normal" > 8% "adventurer" > 2% "superpower" > "WoL"

Roll a one million sided die. If you roll over 920,000 you can be awesome. If not, you're a part of the world and you die to FATE enemies.

Honestly, as long as they don't say 'I'm related to X NPC', or 'I'm best friends with X NPC' or 'I can drop any Primal/Dragon/etc with one hit all by myself' or whatnot, then they can be strong. Then they can be strong enough to help down a major enemy like a Primal or a dragon lieutenant. If they have the Echo or mooks to throw in front of them or anything, the Lore says it's possible, so I'm not going to tell them what they can and can't be. Not everyone wants to be the 'everyman', and saying someone is a bad roleplayer because they want to be strong is not only judgmental, but it's flat wrong. I've known many good roleplayers who've played strong characters. /shrug/ And 'strong' is also a matter of opinion and situation as well. This idea that a group of people can say 'you can only be awesome if we say so or X happens' is bad enough, but the fact people listen to it makes me even sadder. And it is policing, no matter how you spin it.

No one is saying that anyone not playing an "everyman" is a bad roleplayer. Consider your point though: People without the Echo regularly slaying primals? The first thing Ifrit does is try to Temper people, and Levi does it as a matter of desperation. Garuda does it when things get tense, too. So if you're helping to down a primal and you -don'-t have the echo, you're one of the extremely lucky people to not come out of the fight dead or a mindslave. We're discussing specifically knowing the Warrior of Light (which means you were present for one of the specific primal killings, or the MSQ) and tangentially places of power (the weekly/daily/FATEs we can't tell have any actual precedence for lore basis).

I'm not the police, no matter how you spin it.

Paradox · **03-16-2016, 10:36 PM**

The discussion also went into knowing specific NPCs far early on, not just the WoL, so it kind of went off topic from the beginning. And then it always gets into discussions about power levels, lore about other things, and then it goes here and there and everywhere. We've already determined more or less knowing the WoL directly is impossible more or less since they have no representation in game other than ourselves. So all one can hope to do is be in the same place at the same time, without seeing them. Admittedly even if you did see them, you'd never know. Even if you were at the primal battle *with* them, which one of the eight or more is the WoL? There's not a little token on their head determining it, so honestly IC interactions with ARR's WoL really wouldn't be possible. Now, interactions with the 1.0 Warriors of Light might have been possible since there were more of them, so someone from before the Calamity might can say "Oh yeah, I met that guy" Well. Wait, no, can't remember them, that's right. So yeah, knowing them IC might be impossible as a direct point of view.

But when it went off topic into power levels, what you can and can't do, etc, and everyone was responding to that, I just put my two cents in about that whole mess. /shrug.

Warren Castille · **03-16-2016, 10:43 PM**

(03-16-2016, 10:36 PM)Arklonn Sargonnai Wrote: The discussion also went into knowing specific NPCs far early on, not just the WoL, so it kind of went off topic from the beginning. And then it always gets into discussions about power levels, lore about other things, and then it goes here and there and everywhere. We've already determined more or less knowing the WoL directly is impossible more or less since they have no representation in game other than ourselves. So all one can hope to do is be in the same place at the same time, without seeing them. Admittedly even if you did see them, you'd never know. Even if you were at the primal battle *with* them, which one of the eight or more is the WoL? There's not a little token on their head determining it, so honestly IC interactions with ARR's WoL really wouldn't be possible. Now, interactions with the 1.0 Warriors of Light might have been possible since there were more of them, so someone from before the Calamity might can say "Oh yeah, I met that guy" Well. Wait, no, can't remember them, that's right. So yeah, knowing them IC might be impossible as a direct point of view.

But when it went off topic into power levels, what you can and can't do, etc, and everyone was responding to that, I just put my two cents in about that whole mess. /shrug.

That's an entire retraction from your point about people being able to interact with them.

Quote:You know the funny thing? There's nothing that says you haven't met the WoL. But how would you *know* exactly? He/She/It is given menial jobs by 75% of the fucking population, ALL THE TIME. For all you know, you may have met them, asked them to fetch you something, like a barrel of squid, and paid them a pittance of gil because you really needed it, and it was a shop emergency.

So can we know him or not? I understand wanting to say yes and not no to people wanting to do creative things, but this is a little more divisive than just "sure, go for it."

It doesn't change the various levels of power random roleplayers can hope to attain, nor it is "policing" what people say they can do. The premise sets itself: The WoL marches into Ishgard for 3.0 alone, with his allies defeated and missing. Anyone wanting to add onto that by showing up and helping is free to write their own fanfiction, but the story of the game will not ever reflect that.

To repeat: No one is policing what anyone else can or cannot do. The conversation is on what's most believable and how to best "fit in" to the world's lore. NOT the community's lore: The actual, MSQ-based given lore bits we have as of this patch. Being the best friend of a major NPC is problematic.

No one serious ever Wrote:"Oh, I was Drizz't's/Aragorn's/Rand's/Frodo's/Estinien's best mate in school, we're totally best buds."

Paradox · **03-16-2016, 10:53 PM**

It's not so much divisive but it's both possible and impossible. Like Schrodinger's Miqo'te.Â Ugh, describing it is a chore with my head pounding and I know I'm not saying what I'm actually getting at. How to put it. I guess basically the idea is, even if you met them it wouldn't matter, because you wouldn't be able to describe them accurately, because there is no accurate way to do so, because the WoL is everyone doing the MSQ and as of right now there's no visible representation of them in-game like there is derplander. So you can't really interact with them and know it's them, because they only exist as the situation demands because to everyone else they're just an adventurer. And the events occurring around them likely would just be rumor to the general public, or news reports. And no pictures.

Edit: I don't think Estinien had a best mate in school. He was kind of a dick.

K'nahli · **03-16-2016, 11:17 PM**

(03-16-2016, 06:51 PM)Flynn Rosenberg Wrote:
(03-16-2016, 06:30 PM)K Wrote: I'm not sure I'm getting the part where people are suggesting that the WoL from the cutscenes might represent someone else entirely when the exact same person represented us in the Heavensward cinematic.
Comment by a dev:

"So yes, the Midlander male, Miqoâ€™te female, Roegadyn male, Elezen female, and Lalafell female in the recent trailers are in fact the same ones that appeared in the 1.0 trailer! (Yes, the black mage is the Elezen female from the morbol party, not the snooty male from the Midlanderâ€™s party. The robe & hat conceal some of her more distinguishing features, and we all know there was no bust size adjustment feature back in 1.0).

But that still leaves one questionâ€”was the party an actual party, or were they merely symbols meant to represent you, the players? Well, you can breathe easy knowing they are both. They all ventured into Eorzea at the same time as you did. They all did similar quests, and lived through similar adventures. They exist as your characters exist (in a virtual world-sort of existence). The fact that you havenâ€™t come across them is probably the same reason you havenâ€™t come across my character, Amanda Hugginkyss (or maybe you have? /wink). Theyâ€™re just somewhere else. Though, maybe youâ€™ll stumble across their party in the future. Or maybe you wonâ€™t. Howâ€™s that for committing to an answer?"

Though I can't find the original source, this basically says Derplander and pals exist like our characters do, we just haven't seen them until recently in 3.1, confirming our WoL isn't Derplander.

I read that before somewhere, though I also remember reading something along the lines of "We, the player, are the WoL, but even if they weren't/chose to assume that our character wasn't, then it would just be the Midlander and co. taking their place". Unfortunately, that sounds incredibly awkward and vague but I am 80% sure it was from a dev post, only presented in a much more cohesive manner.

The thing is that that post could have been foreshadowing this eventual and planned event. Yes we met them, technically we met them.... but only because they are not the WoL in that scenario, our characters are. If you chose to imagine that Midlander's party are indeed the WoL, then perhaps the WoDa in the 3.1 encounter could look like our characters, or anyone else for that matter.

Cassandra · **03-16-2016, 11:28 PM**

(03-16-2016, 03:32 PM)Val Wrote: Pretty much exactly what Warren said. I don't want to police anyone, to each their own. But there's only so many times I can hear about so-and-so having drinks with Merlwyb while also hanging out with others while everyone else is claiming to be dating X NPC. Do you know how many people RP themselves dating popular NPCs? They don't generally go around the public RP community because I think a part of them realizes it wouldn't be accepted and wouldn't happen. I know one NPC in particular that I've seen no less than six girls claiming to simultaneously date him. IC. Val would be jealous.

And it's because of thatÂ that people need to keep in mind when trying to claim these popular things. Ultimately, somewhere, the world is going to break by people putting themselves in the place of/involved with/around popular NPCs. Stories are going to conflict. How many people are claiming to have killed primals in their backstories? Separately? Those things must be summoned on a daily basis.

I'm just imagining Ifrit's reaction to DST, or being summoned in general now.

"Oh great. Everyone getting up an hour earlier is going to do wonders for my day."
"Alright! This is the hundredth time in a month. You Amal'jaa are on your fucking own. I am done. I'm taking my tempered catboys and leaving. Don't follow!"

(03-16-2016, 07:22 PM)Val Wrote: I'm just going to have to respectfully disagree with this. No characters should ever fight alongside/interact with the Warrior of Light, shoulder-to-shoulder or not. You couldÂ make a character that is powerful enough to stand toe to toe with a primal solo. But why would you? Not only does that not sound remotely entertaining, but it's kind of taking a crap on all the other RPers in the world around you. I feel like it's kind of a respect thing. It's also the same reason (primarily for me, at least) that I abhor seeing people RP NPC characters in the middle of the city. No one can, or should, be able to stop them because they're powerful PC-RPed NPCs. If people want to RP them, do so privately. It's disrespectful to take them publicly.

Now on a more serious note, I have always felt a good rule of thumb for portraying a character skilled in certain fields is to base it around the roleplayers side of the universe; the difference between saying your character is a talented Conjurer versus a White Mage. One is obtainable through traditional means for anyone while the other is supposedly this ultra rare phenomena, relatively speaking at least. It's just a show of tact and respect to your fellow RPers. And I agree, where's the fun in playing a super special awesome amazeballs? There's no story or depth to build from there. After all, they're amazing!

I also won't even acknowledge anyone RPing actual NPCs. That just... irks me on so many levels. Come on, people. You can create your own characters. Doing so privately is one thing. Publicly? Gotta say no. Oddly enough, I have yet to see it happen somehow.

Aaron · **03-16-2016, 11:31 PM**

All these conspiracy theories.

The Calamity was an inside job.

Verad · **03-17-2016, 12:49 AM**

Interacting with named NPCs and the WoL is fine. Go ahead and do it.

McBeefâ„¢ · **03-17-2016, 01:39 AM**

(03-17-2016, 12:49 AM)Verad Wrote: Interacting with named NPCs and the WoL is fine. Go ahead and do it.

Thread is over, everyone go home.

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