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Kattoki · **05-13-2016, 09:05 PM**

cannoncly in the story Aether can only be seen by those who have the echo. Or the head device thing. So what about IC can you see aether or not. I personally believe people overlook this and just believe what our character sees in game is what they can see.

Sounsyy · **05-13-2016, 11:55 PM**

(05-13-2016, 09:05 PM)Kattoki Wrote: cannoncly in the story Aether can only be seen by those who have the echo. Or the head device thing. So what about IC can you see aether or not. I personally believe people overlook this and just believe what our character sees in game is what they can see.

I wasn't quite sure if this was a lore question or a character prompt, so I've spoilered the lore answer. As for my own character, no, Sounsyy cannot see or perceive aether in its ambient state. She is sensitive to aether exposure and prone to aethersickness, however, after surviving Bahamut's wrath on Carteneau. But unless its an aether crystal or someone casting a spell, she usually cannot see aether.

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LiadansWhisper · **05-14-2016, 12:21 AM**

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Sounsyy · **05-14-2016, 08:16 AM**

(05-14-2016, 12:21 AM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:

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SpoilerSounsyy, regarding that sage, I was under the impression that the issue isn't that she's using Aethersight, necessarily, but that she's using it all the time and relying on it for all of her vision. The comment that was made (I think it was from her teacher, but I'm not 100% sure) seemed to suggest that it's something that was intended to be used in small intervals, not as a replacement for sight. Am I wrong?

Here's the conversation in full, Liadan:

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Valence · **05-14-2016, 10:01 AM**

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Warren Castille · **05-14-2016, 03:56 PM**

I interpreted the dialogue and the character design change to indicate complete blindness if not using Daredevil-vision.

LiadansWhisper · **05-14-2016, 04:29 PM**

(05-14-2016, 03:56 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: I interpreted the dialogue and the character design change to indicate complete blindness if not using Daredevil-vision.

That was also my conclusion.

Valence · **05-14-2016, 07:32 PM**

Mine as well. She seems blind. Doesn't mean she uses aethersight all the time though. I would be naturally inclined to think she actually does, but I was just playing the devil's advocate.

Kilieit · **05-14-2016, 07:40 PM**

(05-13-2016, 11:55 PM)Sounsyy Wrote:

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Aether Lore

So in short, aether can appear in a variety of colors based on its elemental aspect, or lack thereof. But now that I think of it, I canâ€™t think of an instance where we see â€œastral aspectedâ€ aether, perhaps this is the silvery-blue we most commonly associate with aether, especially in regards to the Mothercrystal, especially when Zodiark crystal possesses the Umbral-aspected aether color?

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Sounsyy · **05-14-2016, 07:48 PM**

(05-14-2016, 07:40 PM)Kilieit Wrote:
(05-13-2016, 11:55 PM)Sounsyy Wrote:

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Aether Lore

So in short, aether can appear in a variety of colors based on its elemental aspect, or lack thereof. But now that I think of it, I canâ€™t think of an instance where we see â€œastral aspectedâ€ aether, perhaps this is the silvery-blue we most commonly associate with aether, especially in regards to the Mothercrystal, especially when Zodiark crystal possesses the Umbral-aspected aether color?

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Anima Weapon quest itemsCould the Astral Nodule and Umbral Nodule from the Anima weapon questline count as representations of astral- and umbral-aspected aether?

Astral Nodule Wrote:A crystalline amalgamation of astrally charged crystals.

Umbral Nodule Wrote:A crystalline amalgamation of umbrally charged crystals.

Forgive me if I misunderstood the name/tooltip of the items though! I'm nowhere even near here in the storyline yet (only just finished MSQ "The Sins of Antiquity") so I don't know context; just that the items exist and presumably are named along the lines of their nature, aha...

Oh... yeah... whooops. Totally forgot about those. Probably cuz I didn't do that part of the quest, but yes, those would count as astral and umbral aspected aether! Ding! Thanks for this!

Valence · **05-15-2016, 04:45 AM**

If we go deeper into the elemental wheel theory where astral and umbral are actually polarities that adds a third dimension to the base 6 points wheel (fire, thunder, ice, earth, water, wind), does that follow the same pattern than the naming convention for months (astral and umbral moons, each of those under an element related to their proper divinity patron)? Which means you can get astral fire, umbral fire, etc, depending on their location related to the polarity of the element in question? Translated into crystals, would their colour be slightly different depending on their astral polarity?Â

Everything that I see seems to go into that direction, meaning that the elemental wheel is 6 elements and not 8, most of the calendar is also made the same way, divinities too... (with the exception of the superior ones like Hydaelyn and Zodiark). Or the BLM astral fire / umbral ice which hints strongly at that too in my mind...

The only exception I can think of is how moons themselves are structured, which is around the 8 aspects organized into 32 suns.

Gabineaux · **05-15-2016, 04:31 PM**

The whole aura sensing thing, I don't go into it. I wouldn't have my character sense someone's aura unless that other character wanted it to happen for some kind of plot. However, you can literally see the dark knight 'stance' darkside on someone's character. I assume that's aethery.

..And even in the case of my character sensing someone's 'aura' or lack thereof, he isn't the most aether knowledgeable. So he wouldn't be sure what he's sensing in the first place.

Kattoki · **05-19-2016, 12:43 AM**

Sorry for bringing this topic back up. I see everyone is going into the lore of the game. But was more curious about people's views in a RP sense. Like my character cannot see aether even if she is a arcanist and stuff. To her she would see fire erupt from someone's hand or staff.

The real issue I have though is I see a lot of people RPing out there about Aether example glowing eyes or aura's something under normal circumstances my character cannot see. Yet there are all these special snowflake people that can see Aether somehow. Some explain they have the echo but that land of RPing is another topic all together.

LiadansWhisper · **05-19-2016, 12:49 AM**

(05-19-2016, 12:43 AM)Kattoki Wrote: Sorry for bringing this topic back up. I see everyone is going into the lore of the game. But was more curious about people's views in a RP sense. Like my character cannot see aether even if she is a arcanist and stuff. To her she would see fire erupt from someone's hand or staff.

The real issue I have though is I see a lot of people RPing out there about Aether example glowing eyes or aura's something under normal circumstances my character cannot see. Yet there are all these special snowflake people that can see Aether somehow. Some explain they have the echo but that land of RPing is another topic all together.

Generally speaking, I RP with people whose RP I enjoy. If I don't like their RP, or I think they're playing fast and loose with the lore in a way I am not interested in being a part of, I just don't RP with them. I don't ask other people if they think that the "snowflakes" are bad people. I don't call them names. I don't give them nasty labels. I don't make forum posts trying to get other people to say they're bad and wrong and shouldn't be doing that.

If directly asked, or if someone makes a thread asking if other people think it's a good idea if they do those things, of course I'll pipe up with, "Well, the lore says this, and if you want to follow the lore, that's what you should do. Be aware that if you deviate much or at all, there are people who will avoid you, but ultimately you can do whatever you want because it's your character."

So, the point of what I'm saying is, you do you. Sounsyy has already posted what's available in quest text and other available lore. If someone is deviating from this, you have two choices: RP with them, or don't RP with them. Do what's most fun for you.

Valence · **05-19-2016, 03:50 AM**

(05-19-2016, 12:43 AM)Kattoki Wrote: Sorry for bringing this topic back up. I see everyone is going into the lore of the game. But was more curious about people's views in a RP sense. Like my character cannot see aether even if she is a arcanist and stuff. To her she would see fire erupt from someone's hand or staff.

The real issue I have though is I see a lot of people RPing out there about Aether example glowing eyes or aura's something under normal circumstances my character cannot see. Yet there are all these special snowflake people that can see Aether somehow. Some explain they have the echo but that land of RPing is another topic all together.

Well that's the thing, I usually like speaking about lore so that I'm making sure the basis is solid before going into what it implies on our roleplay.

Well, nothing says explicitely in lore that you can't see aether and all. That you can't see aether without killing yourself in the process like Y'Shtola does. Maybe there is a way to do it safely, I don't know.

I know however that I don't want to be that guy that plays a character that not only equals a sharlayan powerful sage, but goes event further as to do better than her.

Though, if you are looking for my personal take on the thing since I play a (modest) character with a certain, some what random, magical affinity... She is a Hearer, so that means she has access to a specific way to deal with the aetheral world around her (not to be confused with the aetheral plane!). She certainly doesn't see it. She doesn't really sense it either (it's not for naugh that people have to resort to contraptions like aetherometers and the likes to measure it in basically every quest and the MSQ). But, she can get a glimpse of what happens around by just Hearing elementals. She is dependent on what they tell and say, and she has to interpret it as best as she can. Not that very different from say, an astrologian that can interpret the stars through magicks, or any other "magical profession" you can think of.

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