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Yian Kutku · **10-06-2016, 05:41 AM**

(10-06-2016, 05:32 AM)Skae Wrote: That Friendship Band (and other stuff you get from a Friend Code) is indeed quite nice.
Feel free to use my code: 5X8S5CDB

(I get stuff too if you use the code and pay for a subscription, so I hope you use it )

Code used, thanks.

Gegenji · **10-06-2016, 08:12 AM**

(10-06-2016, 05:41 AM)Yian Kutku Wrote:
(10-06-2016, 05:32 AM)Skae Wrote: That Friendship Band (and other stuff you get from a Friend Code) is indeed quite nice.
Feel free to use my code: 5X8S5CDB

(I get stuff too if you use the code and pay for a subscription, so I hope you use it )

Code used, thanks.

Haha, got in on that quick, huh? As I mentioned, there's an entire thread on the Official Forums that just has Friend Codes posted up by people hopeful to get those feathers and other goodies from Inviting someone. Laugh

Yian Kutku · **10-06-2016, 08:34 AM**

(10-06-2016, 08:12 AM)Gegenji Wrote: Haha, got in on that quick, huh? As I mentioned, there's an entire thread on the Official Forums that just has Friend Codes posted up by people hopeful to get those feathers and other goodies from Inviting someone.

It did take me a while to start exploring the FF14 website, especially since it inexplicably locks me out of most of the content if I log in with a trial account, yet works perfectly if I log back out.

Now that I'm a Proper Subscriber, though, I've been looking through all that they have to offer.

I was a bit reluctant to look through the official forums, though. MMO official forums tend to have well-deserved negative reputations; my own experiences have shown that the best I can expect was a careful selection of subforums that weren't terrible. Usually Gameplay subforums should be avoided at all costs, due to people being very opinionated on how their characters should play. Anything PvP-related contains too much trash-talking. General Discussion is usually the worst, simply due to size. Lore is usually all right, except for the inevitable handful of people who insist on their One True Interpretation, especially if there's any nuance or grey areas to the game's morality system.

I don't know if FF14 has the same issues.

In any case, now I have three characters on the same server, of whom I will probably play only one. I did take the opportunity to watch the different intros to the three starter cities, which says a lot about their respective personalities. Limsa Lominsa and Gridania don't seem too bad, apart from the outside forces like pirates and beastmen, but Ul'dah introduces itself by having the guards attempt to mug you.

Also, there will always be a garrulous old trader fellow who has a name starting with "Br", and two young(?) Elezen who don't talk at all.

Back on my Arcanist main, all these random fainting spells cannot be healthy, convenient flashbacks or otherwise.

Gegenji · **10-06-2016, 08:40 AM**

(10-06-2016, 08:34 AM)Yian Kutku Wrote: Also, there will always be a garrulous old trader fellow who has a name starting with "Br", and two young(?) Elezen who don't talk at all.

Back on my Arcanist main, all these random fainting spells cannot be healthy, convenient flashbacks or otherwise.

Those two will be important later. Old trader not so much. Wink

And you'll find out all about what these flashbacks and whatnot are as you progress through the MSQ. Exactly when slips my mind, but that's because I haven't done the early story in ages. Blush

Still, that's all what is happening to the "Warrior of Light" - the main character of the story. Most folks don't RP as them since, being the protagonist to the overall story, it's seen as rather special snowflake-y. Especially when you see how many perks the WoL has throughout the story.

Skae · **10-06-2016, 09:27 AM**

(10-06-2016, 08:34 AM)Yian Kutku Wrote: In any case, now I have three characters on the same server, of whom I will probably play only one. I did take the opportunity to watch the different intros to the three starter cities, which says a lot about their respective personalities. Limsa Lominsa and Gridania don't seem too bad, apart from the outside forces like pirates and beastmen, but Ul'dah introduces itself by having the guards attempt to mug you.

Also, there will always be a garrulous old trader fellow who has a name starting with "Br", and two young(?) Elezen who don't talk at all.

All of the three city states have their problems and dark sides even if they are not always obvious.

Limsa Lominsa is run by a bunch of reformed (well, mostly-reformed) pirates who are trying to figure out how to run a state and half of their problems with beastmen are self-created.
Welcoming to strangers, but once there you are very much on your own.

Gridania is largely, even if seldom stated outright, run according to the principle of "Do NOT anger the Elementals", and the Elementals in question and their rules have very little empathy or sympathy for humans. There is also quite a bit of covert (and not-so-covert) racism in Gridania against Duskwights and Keepers, and against beastmen of course.
Highly insular place and wary of strangers and outsiders.

Ul'dah is quite literally run according to the Golden Rule: He who has the Gold makes the Rules.
Nice place if you are rich and powerful. Not so nice if you are poor.
Loves visitors - as long as they have money to spend.

All the cities all have their good sides and people too of course.

You will see all the three traders (I think they are brothers) later on, but they are not very important.
The two young elezen will be important later in the story and you will see a lot of at least one of them.

Yian Kutku · **10-07-2016, 04:39 AM**

(10-06-2016, 09:27 AM)Skae Wrote: All of the three city states have their problems and dark sides even if they are not always obvious.

As clearly illustrated by the introductory setpieces, yes. Limsa Lominsa is paranoid about collaborators, yet insistent on the principle of individualistic freedom at any cost, even to society. Gridania is hugely xenophobic, and only grudgingly tolerates adventurers. Ul'dah thinks nothing of treading on those with no money, which is exacerbated by their refugee crisis.

It's just that the intro cutscenes at least try to establish Limsa Lominsa and Gridania as slightly sympathetic (until you talk to the respective Adventurer's Guild rep and see the other face of the city), but Ul'dah doesn't even bother.

More updates: I ran my first dungeon. And then had to run two more, because of course the game had to throw new players into the deep end with three consecutive dungeon runs in all three city-state areas, complete with DPS queue timers for all three. (About 15 minutes each from queuing in Duty Finder to actually getting a group.)

I'm really not used to the Holy Trinity style of MMO team content, so I hope I'm not doing anything wrong. I did ask in teamchat if there was anything I should know as a newbie, and the answers were mostly noncommittal or vague (ie "no" or "just do whatever"). I did learn to recognize the symbols for Tank classes, since I quickly learned to always follow the Tank.

And that's just as a DPS, which presumably does not require anything special. I have no idea how I'm going to fare as a Healer, or even a Tank. Hopefully the Hall of the Novice stuff will be enough.

Skae · **10-07-2016, 05:44 AM**

(10-07-2016, 04:39 AM)Yian Kutku Wrote: I'm really not used to the Holy Trinity style of MMO team content, so I hope I'm not doing anything wrong. I did ask in teamchat if there was anything I should know as a newbie, and the answers were mostly noncommittal or vague (ie "no" or "just do whatever"). I did learn to recognize the symbols for Tank classes, since I quickly learned to always follow the Tank.

And that's just as a DPS, which presumably does not require anything special. I have no idea how I'm going to fare as a Healer, or even a Tank. Hopefully the Hall of the Novice stuff will be enough.

If the group did not wipe and people didn't complain openly about you, you probably didn't do too badly.

The first few dungeons are quite easy for DPS: Don't stand in AOEs and kill stuff.
Some of the later dungeons have mechanics that DPS need to handle, but that is more about knowing the dungeon than knowing your role.
(Technically even the very first dungeon, Sastasha, has such a mechanic on the last boss where people are supposed to interact with the bubbles to stop reinforcements from arriving, but 99% of all groups just ignore that mechanic and focus on burning down the boss as quickly as possible.)

The early dungeons aren't much harder for healers (keep tank alive, don't step in AOEs) or tanks (keep aggro, don't step in AOEs, try to keep mobs turned away from the rest of the party)

Hall of the Novice gives a fairly good introduction on how to play each class.

SicketySix · **10-07-2016, 08:21 AM**

For me it seems like Healers and DPS have an easier time when running the early game dungeon whereas tanks have to work a little harder. Having less taunts, less aoe abilities etc.

Then it seems like Tanks get rewarded with later endgame dungeons as for a lot of the boss fights you just....well , tank. Meanwhile the DPS scurries all around, failing mechanics and causing the healer to run out of mana and causes the group to wipe lol

Gegenji · **10-07-2016, 08:34 AM**

(10-07-2016, 08:21 AM)SicketySix Wrote: For me it seems like Healers and DPS have an easier time when running the early game dungeon whereas tanks have to work a little harder. Having less taunts, less aoe abilities etc.

Mmm. It depends with that healer angle, but I might be thinking more mid-game. Even SCH at the beginning level dungeons can just sort of leave their Fairy on heal-duty and play pretend-DPS with Cleric Stance. However, when you get to around the level 30-40 dungeons, not having your "key" abilities like Leeches and Lustrate can be quite the pain in the behind. Of course, you don't know you miss them until you actually have them... so it might be a moot point.

And I specify SCH not just because it's the healer I main, but it'd be the one Yian would likely be using in dungeons.

SicketySix · **10-07-2016, 08:41 AM**

(10-07-2016, 08:34 AM)Gegenji Wrote:
(10-07-2016, 08:21 AM)SicketySix Wrote: For me it seems like Healers and DPS have an easier time when running the early game dungeon whereas tanks have to work a little harder. Having less taunts, less aoe abilities etc.

Mmm. It depends with that healer angle, but I might be thinking more mid-game. Even SCH at the beginning level dungeons can just sort of leave their Fairy on heal-duty and play pretend-DPS with Cleric Stance. However, when you get to around the level 30-40 dungeons, not having your "key" abilities like Leeches and Lustrate can be quite the pain in the behind. Of course, you don't know you miss them until you actually have them... so it might be a moot point.

And I specify SCH not just because it's the healer I main, but it'd be the one Yian would likely be using in dungeons.

Nothing screw me up more on any type of class as queuing into a low level dungeon and having 3/4 of my rotation unavailable.

Yian Kutku · **10-08-2016, 02:48 AM**

Is there a place on this forum to ask tiny, inconsequential lore questions that aren't really worthy of inclusion in the Lore Questions Thread, but still bug me immensely disproportionate to their importance?

I just have two to start with, but I'm sure there will be many more to come.

First, does Minfilia do anything, apart from using her long-range communication system to summon me for face-to-face meetings?

Second, how does Yda's skirt work? I assume it's a skirt; it looks like tight shorts, until I see the huge side-slits. And yet the skirt clings to her like shorts. It's weird.

Skae · **10-08-2016, 03:14 AM**

(10-08-2016, 02:48 AM)Yian Kutku Wrote: First, does Minfilia do anything, apart from using her long-range communication system to summon me for face-to-face meetings?

Second, how does Yda's skirt work? I assume it's a skirt; it looks like tight shorts, until I see the huge side-slits. And yet the skirt clings to her like shorts. It's weird.

Minfilia? Well, she does occasionally get into trouble and needs to be rescued. She makes a few inspiring (?) speeches. And ... that's pretty much it. Anything else she does is very much off-screen.

My own theory is that the reason she is the leader of the Scions is that she is the only one of them who could be spared - everyone else is needed elsewhere. Tongue

No matter how huge the side-slits may be, it is actually tight shorts that Yda is wearing, not a skirt.

Yian Kutku · **10-08-2016, 07:58 AM**

(10-08-2016, 03:14 AM)Skae Wrote: Minfilia? Â Well, she does occasionally get into trouble and needs to be rescued. Â She makes a few inspiring (?) speeches. Â And ... that's pretty much it. Â Anything else she does is very much off-screen.

My own theory is that the reason she is the leader of the Scions is that she is the only one of them who could be spared - everyone else is needed elsewhere.

I did assume that Minfilia was essentially a non-combatant, since it would be reasonable to assume not everyone who receives the Echo (and is inducted into the Scions) is a combat badass like the player.

It's just that I keep wondering if she is literally stuck inside her office, unable to depart. Putting aside the travel involved in getting to Vesper Bay in the first place, her office is behind two loading screens.

Of course, that still doesn't explain why she insists on having me come to her, instead of just relaying instructions via linkpearl.

Quote:No matter how huge the side-slits may be, it is actually tight shorts that Yda is wearing, not a skirt.

I honestly have no idea how that works, sartorially. Is there some sort of transparent material holding the sides together? How would one attempt to cosplay that?

I admit when I first saw that, I thought I was seeing some weird clipping issue with Yda's thighs.

Yian Kutku · **10-10-2016, 04:09 AM**

Apologies for the double-post, but I thought this was relevant enough to update the thread:

I am finally on Balmung.

The delay was mainly due to the "character must have existed for three days" criteria, which my probably-unplayed alts had to meet first.

Now to see what a Ridiculously High Population server looks like, and hopefully spectate some open-world RP.

SicketySix · **10-10-2016, 08:11 AM**

(10-10-2016, 04:09 AM)Yian Kutku Wrote: Apologies for the double-post, but I thought this was relevant enough to update the thread:

I am finally on Balmung.

The delay was mainly due to the "character must have existed for three days" criteria, which my probably-unplayed alts had to meet first.

Now to see what a Ridiculously High Population server looks like, and hopefully spectate some open-world RP.

Cool good to hear, welcome to Balmung!

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