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Dogberry · **06-20-2013, 04:07 PM**

Sure thing, I'm all about OP expanding on his definition of gritty.

But people, please.

"Could you expand on what you mean by gritty?" is helpful to OP.

"Revenge is a cliche character motivation" is not helpful to the OP.

Uther · **06-20-2013, 04:11 PM**

(06-20-2013, 03:38 PM)Dogberry Wrote:
(06-20-2013, 03:23 PM)Uther Wrote:
(06-20-2013, 03:11 PM)Aysun Wrote: I'm a fan of heavy, gritty RP as well.. but not so much the revenge part.

Â Revenge, to me, is a bit of a cliche.

Just because you're not into it, doesn't mean it's cliche. I love a good revenge story. My character suffers PTSD from the calamity and deals with it with violently. Sorry that my character choices aren't yours. You're so enlightened.

Whoa, okay, getting a little defensive there.Â

A good revenge story has its place. From Hamlet to Moby Dick to Batman, revenge can make for a good narrative. I (as in "this is my opinion and I'm not forcing you to do anything.") just think, that in myÂ personal RP experience, the most annoying characters are the ones that sit around telling sad and overly-dramatic stories about how Bahamut or Garlemald or Edwin VanCleef or Sauron or Dr. Destroyer or Lex Luthor or Santa Claus killed their family or some bullshit and now they only live to kill that person/thing. Great. Glad there's a lot of dimension to that character, now on to whoever else is around.Â

I'm not saying that revenge is stupid or ridiculous, but it has to be done right, and it can't be done by everyone. It, like every other theme, has its place. And I find that it's a very common theme and often a poorly done one.Â

Also, about that last little jab. I don't want your character to make my character's choices. I don't want anyone's character to be anything like my character. I'm happy in my own little bubble that is Uther Skystrider. I don't want a thousand other Uther Skystriders. And I can openly admit that even my character has his cliche themes. He's a dragoon through-and-through which isn't original at all, and he's got a white-knight complex like every hero ever. I just try to spin it to make it a little unique, which is all I'm saying most revenge characters need to do.

It's not enlightened to have a different perspective on something.

I really don't see why that response had to be so aggressive.

Curtis West · **06-20-2013, 04:19 PM**

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Dogberry · **06-20-2013, 04:23 PM**

Coming in to a thread where OP has given little information and making a broad statement like "revenge is cliche" strikes me as something to get defensive about. It's basically poo-pooing OP's premise before you even have information from him. A more helpful response would be "Could you please elaborate on what you mean when you say revenge, because I'm afraid it could be done badly." This kind of response signifies that you actually want to help OP and the community.

Saying "revenge is cliche" right out the gate just reminds everyone that opinions are like assholes, and some people get off on shoving them in other people's faces.

blackdrakon · **06-20-2013, 04:29 PM**

(06-20-2013, 04:11 PM)Uther Wrote: A good revenge story has its place. From Hamlet to Moby Dick to Batman, revenge can make for a good narrative. I (as in "this is my opinion and I'm not forcing you to do anything.") just think, that in myÂ personal RP experience, the most annoying characters are the ones that sit around telling sad and overly-dramatic stories about how Bahamut or Garlemald or Edwin VanCleef or Sauron or Dr. Destroyer or Lex Luthor or Santa Claus killed their family or some bullshit and now they only live to kill that person/thing. Great. Glad there's a lot of dimension to that character, now on to whoever else is around.Â

I'm not saying that revenge is stupid or ridiculous, but it has to be done right, and it can't be done by everyone. It, like every other theme, has its place. And I find that it's a very common theme and often a poorly done one.Â

I don't know if you ever played Star Wars Galaxies, but the whole "The Empire killed my/subjugated my/blew up my <whatever> seemed to be the character theme of the millennium because the story line did nothing but lend itself to propagating that kind of thing. The Empire was just downright cold blooded. The idea of vigilante justice is great and everyone has their reason for doing it. But the creative outlet can only be stretched so far outside something major such as families dying due to a Calamity on this large of a scale before you run out of options for why you're character seeks revenge. If you kill my family using a meteor spitting dragon, you better believe I'm going to come after you.

Uther · **06-20-2013, 04:33 PM**

(06-20-2013, 04:23 PM)Dogberry Wrote: Coming in to a thread where OP has given little information and making a broad statement like "revenge is cliche" strikes me as something to get defensive about. It's basically poo-pooing OP's premise before you even have information from him. A more helpful response would be "Could you please elaborate on what you mean when you say revenge, because I'm afraid it could be done badly." This kind of response signifies that you actually want to help OP and the community.

Saying "revenge is cliche" right out the gate just reminds everyone that opinions are like assholes, and some people get off on shoving them in other people's faces.

"Revenge, to me, is a bit of a cliche." is different from "Revenge is cliche." Granted, I could've used a better choice of words initially, but the second one sounds a lot more dismissive than what I actually said.Â

Also, you're acting like I kicked down the thread door and told the OP he's an idiot and made a "Yo Momma" joke. I said my piece about revenge, but I also pointed him in the direction to check out a linkshell which might have the gritty and dark theme he's going for. I didn't mean to spit in his soup, but I'm also entitled to my own opinion. It also wasn't "right out the gate" either, since I had made a helpful post before that.Â

I also justÂ elaborated on what I meant and explained that I don't hate the idea, I just hate how poorly it can be executed sometimes. And you're stillÂ trying to start a flame war with me over an improper choice of words, that, once again, I just had to explain.Â

Also, the asshole analogy was totally uncalled for, but thank you for insulting my personal character over poor word choice. It seems completely necessary.

Dogberry · **06-20-2013, 04:35 PM**

You're welcome.

Uther · **06-20-2013, 04:36 PM**

(06-20-2013, 04:35 PM)Dogberry Wrote: You're welcome.

You're so enlightened.

Varus · **06-20-2013, 04:40 PM**

@Uther/Dogberry

Enough, both of you.

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I'll also second the Misericorde recommendation. While they are not really into the whole "revenge against Bahamut/Garleans" theme, they do take a stance against any current and future forces that threaten the realm.

EDIT: And they are taking a more "realistic" approach to the Final Fantasy XIV universe. Less emphasis on magic and more on technology, etc.

Aysun · **06-20-2013, 04:50 PM**

(06-20-2013, 04:40 PM)Tyonis Wrote: EDIT: And they are taking a more "realistic" approach to the Final Fantasy XIV universe. Less emphasis on magic and more on technology, etc.

OT: I like less emphasis on magic, but also less emphasis on technology! Smile

*wanders around with a stick and a rock*

Uther · **06-20-2013, 04:50 PM**

(06-20-2013, 04:40 PM)Tyonis Wrote: @Uther/Dogberry

Enough, both of you.

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I'll also second the Misericorde recommendation. While they are not really into the whole "revenge against Bahamut/Garleans" theme, they do take a stance against any current and future forces that threaten the realm.

EDIT: And they are taking a more "realistic" approach to the Final Fantasy XIV universe. Less emphasis on magic and more on technology, etc.

Fair enough. As much as I hate being treated like a child, I can admit that in this case I was acting like one.

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Accurate.

And about the EDIT: From what I've seen, and I haven't known the group very long, they like to have things make sense. "A wizard did it" isn't good enough for them, which I like. It isÂ far more technology based than magic based, but magic isn't entirely absent I don't think.

For where it counts though, Misericorde is about explaining the unexplained and exploring the unexplored. The threat of Bahamut isn't at the forefront, but I would say it is definitely in the back of their minds at all times.Â

Other than that, it's a very gritty, dirty, and realistic linkshell and I recommend checking it out.

Shuck · **06-20-2013, 05:29 PM**

(06-20-2013, 01:48 PM)Rock Sandbourne Wrote: If there is already one out there please contact me. Contact me if there is one being made. I'm very,Â very interested in this.

First, I want to thank the various recommendations coming from a number of voices in here. You make my blackened, armored heart flutter. Really, and truly. Well, shudder. It's more of an engine than a heart. Whatever, don't bind me with your labels.

Anyway, let's get the realness in here:

1. Revenge on Bahamut isn't something that we're totally, and fully focussed on. That being said, Isaac isn't about to let the big lizard slide. He's just not the only fish in the angry tempest sea, know what I mean?

2. We are dark, but not like..."dark". The way I've been putting it is this: We stick to an honesty of circumstance that isn't necessarily present in a lot of lighter fare. We're dirty. We're hungry. And it gets really, really messy over here.

3. Uther's right in that magic isn't entirely absent. But it's weird, borderline heretical magic.

4. You should talk to me further. I'll throw you a PM.

Curtis West · **06-20-2013, 05:31 PM**

Quote:If you kill my family using a meteor spitting dragon, you better believe I'm going to come after you.

I'd think that some characters (mine, for example) would be to overwhelmed to come after such a force with that type of vengeance. It's like going against a volcano for erupting and causing your village to be wipe out. Ernest is just like this about it:Â Dazed

And to further praise Misericorde (since this is what this thread is nowÂ Tongue

) Bahamut is (or can be) relevant to the main concept from what I understand. They'd seek to go after it by understanding exactly what has happened, how, and what can be done to prevent it while taking out all the misconception/superstition out of it. Hope that makes sense Smile

Â The theme is a little complex, but that's why I personally like it.

Uther · **06-20-2013, 05:33 PM**

(06-20-2013, 05:31 PM)Ernest West Wrote: They'd seek to go after it by understanding exactly what has happened, how, and what can be done to prevent it while taking out all the misconception/superstition out of it. Hope that makes sense Â The theme is a little complex, but that's why I personally like it.

^ What that dude said.

blackdrakon · **06-20-2013, 05:37 PM**

(06-20-2013, 05:31 PM)Ernest West Wrote:
Quote:If you kill my family using a meteor spitting dragon, you better believe I'm going to come after you.
I'd think that some characters (mine, for example) would be to overwhelmed to come after such a force with that type of vengeance. It's like going against a volcano for erupting and causing your village to be wipe out. Ernest is just like this about it:Â

It's not at all like going against a volcano for erupting and destroying my village for a number of reasons. (1) Volcanoes don't have wings or the ability to fly away. (2) You can kill a dragon, but not a lava spewing mountain. (3) Anybody that has the will power to take down such a force might think anything else a minor inconvenience on their way to the main objective.

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