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Kossori · **08-05-2013, 10:30 PM**

Not to be rude, but for the hundredth time the reason why people aren't automatically rolling on Balmung is that we don't want to play on a Legacy server. Accept that fact.Â

That's the only reason why we'd want to pick a Non-Legacy alternative. What else could it possibly be?

Stop trying to jam it down our throats. We know how WONDERFUL AND GREAT Balmung is.

Selsix · **08-05-2013, 10:32 PM**

I vote sticking with Gilgamesh.

A lot of people are going to say "DUDE JUST COME TO BALMUNG".

To them I say "No." Why? Because A Realm Reborn is pretty much a NEW game. Why would I want to roll on a realm where everyone is already max level on a brand spanking new game?

If you ask me, Gilgamesh's cesspool like population will make playing more diverse, and therefor? Interesting. There will be griefers no matter which realm we select.

Picking Leviathan, Behemoth, or any other realm instead of Gilgamesh THIS close to launch will only cause MASSIVE confusion.

Ashren Dotharl · **08-05-2013, 10:38 PM**

(08-05-2013, 10:32 PM)Selsix Wrote: To them I say "No." Why? Because A Realm Reborn is pretty much a NEW game. Why would I want to roll on a realm where everyone is already max level on a brand spanking new game?

Because that's kind of a bad reason for not wanting to be a part of an RP community, besides I promise you it will only take a few weeks before all the Redditors and 4chaners are max level, long before any RPer is.

What your basically saying here is you don't want to RP with us because we're higher level than you...

Spiritual Machine · **08-05-2013, 10:39 PM**

(08-05-2013, 07:48 PM)Kylin Wrote: Let me make something perfectly clear before anything devolves further. This site was created with the primary intent to unify RPers onto one server 3 years ago. We have since budged on that and, against the majority's personal wishes, threw support behind a secondary server. And we will continue to support that server as per our promise.

That said, the RPC will absolutely NOT support a third or fourth server. End of story. Now, let me clarify on what I mean by "support." Any RP shell/company can certainly advertise their linkshells in the Linkshell Hall, as has always been the case. But I am not setting up a third subsection of forums, nor will most people here help advertise any third servers to newbies I'm sure, as that goes against the entire purpose of this coalition. If Rpers on Gilgamesh are unified in their decision to change to another server, fine. I can easily mod the Gilgamesh section to whatever. However, if there's no unity behind that decision (which so far there doesn't appear to be), nothing on the RPC's end will change. People can still go to whatever server they want. Nobody can stop them. But the RPC has a purpose behind its existence, and we're not going to keep taking it further and further away from that.

My suggestion is to make this a decision between the already existing Gilgamesh linkshells/companies...both internally and between one another. That will paint a much clearer picture than a public poll like this will. My advice is to hold an "emergency" Gilgamesh linkshell leader meeting of some sort via a skype chat room/AIM/whatever and discuss it internally. Though you'll probably also want to discuss it with the individual members of each Gilgamesh RP shell as well. Either way, good luck.

I came in after the vote, but I always wondered something.

Putting the secondary server to a vote seemed to encourage division in the community in the first place. And not to mention, people still aren't happy with that gesture, as the poll clearly shows...

And you're making this hard line on "supporting" servers, even though some of our community--roleplayers as a whole--will be on Gilgamesh, Behemoth, Leviathan, Tonberry, etc.

So... why did you guys never think to just make a subforum for Other Servers instead of just one for Gilgamesh?

Heck, why don't you guys just do that now, so that the RPC staff doesn't have to weigh in on this debacle?

Selsix · **08-05-2013, 10:41 PM**

(08-05-2013, 10:38 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote:
(08-05-2013, 10:32 PM)Selsix Wrote: To them I say "No." Why? Because A Realm Reborn is pretty much a NEW game. Why would I want to roll on a realm where everyone is already max level on a brand spanking new game?
Because that's kind of a bad reason for not wanting to be a part of an RP community, besides I promise you it will only take a few weeks before all the Redditors and 4chaners are max level, long before any RPer is.

What your basically saying here is you don't want to RP with us because we're higher level than you...

Please don't put words in my mouth.

I'm excited because of this game at launch because of just that, it's at LAUNCH. I want the experience of playing with a community that will level alongside me, at least for a time.

A lot of us want a non-legacy realm for just that reason, trail-blazing. I'd love to RP with you guys on Balmung, and your level has NOTHING to do with that.

However, this is first and foremost what? A game. And your level has EVERYTHING to do with me playing with you. I don't want to start on a "brand" new game with a bunch of people already 400 miles ahead of me. I want to build a community.

Now please stop bringing up this matter and get back to the topic at hand. Whether or not people want to stick with Gilgamesh as the non-legacy RP realm.

Tooplex · **08-05-2013, 10:42 PM**

The only thing im worried about with Gilgamesh as to why it should be a different server is because of how full its gonna be. Quoting from that thread on the beta forums

"Honestly, you should choose a less populated server. Gilgamesh is projected to be one of the most packed new servers (Reddit, NeoGAF and GameFAQs all have FCs on Gilgamesh)."

Three communitys PLUS the RPers, You are looking at a full server very very quickly.

Alexandr Nocturne · **08-05-2013, 10:42 PM**

(08-05-2013, 10:39 PM)Spiritual Machine Wrote:
(08-05-2013, 07:48 PM)Kylin Wrote: Let me make something perfectly clear before anything devolves further. This site was created with the primary intent to unify RPers onto one server 3 years ago. We have since budged on that and, against the majority's personal wishes, threw support behind a secondary server. And we will continue to support that server as per our promise.

That said, the RPC will absolutely NOT support a third or fourth server. End of story. Now, let me clarify on what I mean by "support." Any RP shell/company can certainly advertise their linkshells in the Linkshell Hall, as has always been the case. But I am not setting up a third subsection of forums, nor will most people here help advertise any third servers to newbies I'm sure, as that goes against the entire purpose of this coalition. If Rpers on Gilgamesh are unified in their decision to change to another server, fine. I can easily mod the Gilgamesh section to whatever. However, if there's no unity behind that decision (which so far there doesn't appear to be), nothing on the RPC's end will change. People can still go to whatever server they want. Nobody can stop them. But the RPC has a purpose behind its existence, and we're not going to keep taking it further and further away from that.

My suggestion is to make this a decision between the already existing Gilgamesh linkshells/companies...both internally and between one another. That will paint a much clearer picture than a public poll like this will. My advice is to hold an "emergency" Gilgamesh linkshell leader meeting of some sort via a skype chat room/AIM/whatever and discuss it internally. Though you'll probably also want to discuss it with the individual members of each Gilgamesh RP shell as well. Either way, good luck.
I came in after the vote, but I always wondered something.

Putting the secondary server to a vote seemed to encourage division in the community in the first place. And not to mention, people still aren't happy with that gesture, as the poll clearly shows...

And you're making this hard line on "supporting" servers, even though some of our community--roleplayers as a whole--will be on Gilgamesh, Behemoth, Leviathan, Tonberry, etc.

So... why did you guys never think to just make a subforum for Other Servers instead of just one for Gilgamesh?

Heck, why don't you guys just do that now, so that the RPC staff doesn't have to weigh in on this debacle?

The only reason the topic of leaving Gilgamesh was brought up is because of the Reddit and 4Chan communities, something that was unknown as of the time of the vote.Â I hope that clears up the confusion.

And please stop derailing this thread.Â It's not about discussing why the Gilgamesh community exists.

(08-05-2013, 10:42 PM)Tooplex Wrote: The only thing im worried about with Gilgamesh as to why it should be a different server is because of how full its gonna be. Quoting from that thread on the beta forums

"Honestly, you should choose a less populated server. Gilgamesh is projected to be one of the most packed new servers (Reddit, NeoGAF and GameFAQs all have FCs on Gilgamesh)."

Three communitys PLUS the RPers, You are looking at a full server very very quickly.

This.Â This right here has been my point all along.

Ashren Dotharl · **08-05-2013, 10:45 PM**

(08-05-2013, 10:41 PM)Selsix Wrote:
(08-05-2013, 10:38 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote:
(08-05-2013, 10:32 PM)Selsix Wrote: To them I say "No." Why? Because A Realm Reborn is pretty much a NEW game. Why would I want to roll on a realm where everyone is already max level on a brand spanking new game?
Because that's kind of a bad reason for not wanting to be a part of an RP community, besides I promise you it will only take a few weeks before all the Redditors and 4chaners are max level, long before any RPer is.

What your basically saying here is you don't want to RP with us because we're higher level than you...

Please don't put words in my mouth.

I'm excited because of this game at launch because of just that, it's at LAUNCH. I want the experience of playing with a community that will level alongside me, at least for a time.

A lot of us want a non-legacy realm for just that reason, trail-blazing. I'd love to RP with you guys on Balmung, and your level has NOTHING to do with that.

However, this is first and foremost what? A game. And your level has EVERYTHING to do with me playing with you. I don't want to start on a "brand" new game with a bunch of people already 400 miles ahead of me. I want to build a community.

Now please stop bringing up this matter and get back to the topic at hand. Whether or not people want to stick with Gilgamesh as the non-legacy RP realm.

I wasn't putting words in your mouth, I was merely paraphrasing your own words. I've bolding the above quote where you specifically stated you didn't want to be on our server because of our levels.

Also ARR isn't a new game, it's the Cataclysm expansion from WoW. Complete with enormous world destroying dragon and everything.

Alexandr Nocturne · **08-05-2013, 10:48 PM**

Again, please stop derailing this thread.Â It's not about discussing why the Gilgamesh community exists.

Selsix · **08-05-2013, 10:50 PM**

(08-05-2013, 10:45 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote:
(08-05-2013, 10:41 PM)Selsix Wrote:
(08-05-2013, 10:38 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote:
(08-05-2013, 10:32 PM)Selsix Wrote: To them I say "No." Why? Because A Realm Reborn is pretty much a NEW game. Why would I want to roll on a realm where everyone is already max level on a brand spanking new game?
Because that's kind of a bad reason for not wanting to be a part of an RP community, besides I promise you it will only take a few weeks before all the Redditors and 4chaners are max level, long before any RPer is.

What your basically saying here is you don't want to RP with us because we're higher level than you...

Please don't put words in my mouth.

I'm excited because of this game at launch because of just that, it's at LAUNCH. I want the experience of playing with a community that will level alongside me, at least for a time.

A lot of us want a non-legacy realm for just that reason, trail-blazing. I'd love to RP with you guys on Balmung, and your level has NOTHING to do with that.

However, this is first and foremost what? A game. And your level has EVERYTHING to do with me playing with you. I don't want to start on a "brand" new game with a bunch of people already 400 miles ahead of me. I want to build a community.

Now please stop bringing up this matter and get back to the topic at hand. Whether or not people want to stick with Gilgamesh as the non-legacy RP realm.
I wasn't putting words in your mouth, I was merely paraphrasing your own words. I've bolding the above quote where you specifically stated you didn't want to be on our server because of our levels.

Also ARR isn't a new game, it's the Cataclysm expansion from WoW. Complete with enormous world destroying dragon and everything.

Cataclysm didn't let people roll on new realms and force high level players to stay on theirs.

I'm an avid WoW player (or I was until I cancelled my sub for FFXIV:ARR a week ago). Had Blizzard done that? I would be doing the same thing.

You are comparing two entirely different entities. Cata was an expansion, A Realm Reborn is a complete revamp of the whole game. Being similar in story does not make them similar in aspect.

And paraphrasing is just as bad as putting words in someone's mouth. You have to assume to paraphrase, and assumptions can be very wrong. Like I said, your level has nothing to do with me wanting to be part of the Balmung RP community, it does however deter me from wanting to play on the realm.

I won't be responding to any other posts on this subject from here, please get back on topic.

Tooplex · **08-05-2013, 10:51 PM**

(08-05-2013, 10:48 PM)Xerek Wrote: Again, please stop derailing this thread.Â It's not about discussing why the Gilgamesh community exists.

Just a question btw, Why is your FC on Gilgamesh if you are so opposed to being on Gilgamesh?

AkhutaiAngura · **08-05-2013, 10:53 PM**

(08-05-2013, 10:41 PM)Selsix Wrote: Please don't put words in my mouth.

I'm excited because of this game at launch because of just that, it's at LAUNCH. I want the experience of playing with a community that will level alongside me, at least for a time.

A lot of us want a non-legacy realm for just that reason, trail-blazing. I'd love to RP with you guys on Balmung, and your level has NOTHING to do with that.

However, this is first and foremost what? A game. And your level has EVERYTHING to do with me playing with you. I don't want to start on a "brand" new game with a bunch of people already 400 miles ahead of me. I want to build a community.

Now please stop bringing up this matter and get back to the topic at hand. Whether or not people want to stick with Gilgamesh as the non-legacy RP realm.

Just one more bit to say, as an.. Alternative to this.

People seem to have some great misconception about the Legacy players.

Yes, they are legacy players at 50. No, many of us do NOT have a 50 in every single job.

Yes, this is a -brand new- game. 2.0 has an entirely new story line to what 1.0 was.Â

Guess what that means? All those legacy players, with the 50's... And all those legacy players with the 10's, and 20's, and 30's, and everything in between, I can -garuntee- will be redoing all the content.

If I had a 50 (which I don't, and I'm a legacy player), I'd pick a job that I had at level 1, and I'd start over so I can experience all the new content. That's what I'm doing with my level 15 legacy character. Hell, Legacy players -HAVE- to redo the main storyline quests, in order to get the dungeons and such unlocked. You seem to think Legacy servers means no trailblazing... But it's going to be just as much a trailblazing for us, as it is for you. We're just as new to this as you are.. And level matters none, seeing as how there are the buddy systems to bring the 50's down to the lower levels for questing.Â

And the fact that the 50's will be rolling low level alts and such to do the content.Â

Again, all I'm saying is the LEgacy servers should be given another consideration. No one person in this forum, or any other, speaks for an entire community. The community should be given the chance to consider, not choose from a set of servers dictated by an assumption that no one will want anything else.

My piece is done. I'll bow out of the conversation, seeing as it's quickly turning into an argument and no longer a discussion/debate.

Selsix · **08-05-2013, 10:59 PM**

(08-05-2013, 10:53 PM)Kaln Wrote: it's going to be just as much a trailblazing for us, as it is for you.

That is where you are 100% completely incorrect.

On a realm where NOBODY has max level characters, if someone is having trouble with something? It'll be get some friends of equal level, and band together to conquer the hurdle.

On a legacy realm? It'll be "Hold on guys, lemme switch to level 50 PLD lel".

Even if a lot of legacy players aren't max level, people will still call max level friends, etc... Sure, this'll happen on non-legacy realms too... Eventually. Not for a little while. I plan to enjoy that while I can.

See the problem?

LandStander · **08-05-2013, 10:59 PM**

I think Gilgamesh was chosen because that is where most of the RPers were at during beta, before they opened up the Legacy servers, and those that didn't want to go to Balmung for *insert reason here* got comfortable and decided to stay there

As horrible as it sounds, P4 is right around the corner (I remember reading a hint on FFXIV Core that it would probably be sometime around the 17th) and as much as a switch makes sense at this point (seeing how many other huge communities will be going there and there is an extremely huge possibility that it will be locked out), its kind of too late. I am unsure of how many are actually going to Gilgamesh, but to try to relay this information to all those people in a short amount of time (if they decide to move servers) would just wind up with mass confusion, people going to the wrong server, people getting left behind, etc.Â

For those going to Gilgamesh you may just have to tough it out and hope for the best, but know that if things don't go that smoothly there will always be the Legacy server, which hopefully doesn't get locked out as well as I was doing my character transfer from Masamune it said that the server population was very high. This might have just been related to transfer characters though as they would probably want to keep spots open for newly created characters as well.Â

And yes Kossori, those people on the beta forum are very horrible people indeed. I haven't logged on there for a long time and all that negative talk about RPers on Gilgamesh reminded me why.

Kossori · **08-05-2013, 10:59 PM**

Anyway. Back to the matter at hand.

I wouldn't mind jumping the proverbial ship onto a lower populated server.

I thought Gilgamesh would be the home to the Non-Legacy RP community, but with how OVERWHELMINGLY populated that particular server is compared to literally every other Non-Legacy server, it might be in the 'Gilgamesh Roleplay Communities' best interest to perhaps find another home BEFORE Phase 4 / Open Beta / Head start begins.

Poll: Should we move from Gilgamesh to Behemoth? You do not have permission to vote in this poll.
Yes	50.00%	33	50.00%
No	50.00%	33	50.00%
Total		66 vote(s)	100%

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