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Draheim · **08-11-2013, 04:18 PM**

@Vee, My apologies if I sounded hostile there. Was not the intent. I personally have no hard feelings against those of you who wish to play on Gilgamesh. I'm new to the game, will be starting fresh, and I'm hitting Balmung. Do I have a reason? Not really. I came here, saw that Balmung was the advertised server on the main page, and headed over.

If anything, I think you guys are doing great work in terms of making Gilgamesh a friendly place for new folks, specially with some of the other major communities that are headed your way.

As far as what I said there, honestly, I'm down with the flu and being 'that guy'. Plus, I've been dealing with some RL politics stuff lately, so I read that post and was like....yea. I'm gonna go back to bed now. Again, sorry if I offended.

Nel Celestine · **08-11-2013, 04:20 PM**

I'd like to direct any further discussion on this to view this topic first.

K'nahli · **08-11-2013, 04:37 PM**

Worst comes to worst, there's always the option of a server transfer so perhaps you are all over-thinking this.

Yeldir Melfusor · **08-12-2013, 09:46 AM**

(08-11-2013, 04:18 PM)Draheim Wrote: @Vee, My apologies if I sounded hostile there. Was not the intent. I personally have no hard feelings against those of you who wish to play on Gilgamesh. I'm new to the game, will be starting fresh, and I'm hitting Balmung. Do I have a reason? Not really. I came here, saw that Balmung was the advertised server on the main page, and headed over.

If anything, I think you guys are doing great work in terms of making Gilgamesh a friendly place for new folks, specially with some of the other major communities that are headed your way.

As far as what I said there, honestly, I'm down with the flu and being 'that guy'. Plus, I've been dealing with some RL politics stuff lately, so I read that post and was like....yea. I'm gonna go back to bed now. Again, sorry if I offended.

Don't worry about it, Draheim. As the author of that, uh, exemplary thread, I can say it's a textbook study on how you can mean well, sound well to one group of people, and sound like a total ass to another. I tried my very best to excite others with the reasons I'm going to Gilgamesh, and the end result was that I managed to cheese off two-thirds of the Balmung community. Whoops!

Tone is tricky.

Fenrir · **08-14-2013, 02:54 PM**

I don't care where we land, as long as it isn't Gilgamesh.Â Gilgamesh will apparently be the home of:Â Something Awful, BlueGartr, Reddit, and us roleplayers.Â Having just one of those communities with us wouldn't be so bad, two would be pushing it, but all three?Â It doesn't sound fun.

Selsix · **08-14-2013, 03:01 PM**

(08-14-2013, 02:54 PM)Fenrir Wrote: I don't care where we land, as long as it isn't Gilgamesh.Â Gilgamesh will apparently be the home of:Â Something Awful, BlueGartr, Reddit, and us roleplayers.Â Having just one of those communities with us wouldn't be so bad, two would be pushing it, but all three?Â It doesn't sound fun.

Okay? So what? Not everyone from those communities are bad. A LOT of redditers actually want to RP. Hell, I found this site on 4chan and I'm certainly not looking to be toxic in any way.

If it seriously bothers you that much, roll on Balmung. But honestly you are blowing it way out of proportion. You will meet griefers no matter what realm you go to.

Yeldir Melfusor · **08-14-2013, 03:04 PM**

Something Awful isn't coming to Gilgamesh. They're set on Excalibur. (Personally, I think the goons are a riot. Following their antics in various games has something I've always enjoyed.)

Reddit, on the other hand - well, those of us who consider ourselves the leaders of the Gilgamesh Or Bust movement, we've been making a special effort to recruit from Reddit, and it's paying off already. Look at the Gilgamesh directory. I'd estimate that 1 in 4 of the recent entries are from Reddit'rs. There's no war between Reddit and Gilgamesh RPC, and from the looks of things, there never will be one, unless people on our end provoke it. If you don't believe me, have a look at Reddit's FFXIV subreddits. Some of them are genuinely interested in roleplaying with us. We'll be giving them the VIP treatment. They'll be welcome at the beach party, and at any of the other major public events in, or out of character.

The us vs them mentality is going out of style. I don't identify with the things you're saying here, and I don't want new people from Reddit identifying what you're saying with us. That isn't how I roll, and to be perfectly frank, the majority of the people moving to Gilgamesh don't roll that way, either.

Blue Gartr? I sincerely doubt most of them will even care what we're doing. I may even raid with them, as they run pretty good progression groups. A lot the friends I've made out of this fledgling Gilgamesh crew feel the same way. We think Reddit and Blue Gartr alike should be welcomed to our events, and tolerated with good humor if they make a mess.

If you don't want to play with, recruit from, and mingle with these communities, perhaps you should reconsider your server choice.

considebalt · **08-14-2013, 03:12 PM**

As Yeldir said: It looks like we will all be getting along as more of reddit seems to be supportive of us or doesn't really care either way. As long as we are kind and inviting it will mostly be reciprocated. As long as we continue building our community it will remain strong. Cooperation and co-habitation is key on any server you go to.

Let's also keep in mind that a diverse server community makes for a strong server, a strong economy and welcomes a host of different play styles. Having a large and varied server population is a goodÂ thing.

Fenrir · **08-14-2013, 03:54 PM**

(08-14-2013, 03:01 PM)Selsix Wrote:
(08-14-2013, 02:54 PM)Fenrir Wrote: I don't care where we land, as long as it isn't Gilgamesh.Â Gilgamesh will apparently be the home of:Â Something Awful, BlueGartr, Reddit, and us roleplayers.Â Having just one of those communities with us wouldn't be so bad, two would be pushing it, but all three?Â It doesn't sound fun.

Okay? So what? Not everyone from those communities are bad. A LOT of redditers actually want to RP. Hell, I found this site on 4chan and I'm certainly not looking to be toxic in any way.

If it seriously bothers you that much, roll on Balmung. But honestly you are blowing it way out of proportion. You will meet griefers no matter what realm you go to.

So what?

So there might be an overpopulation issue.

So there will be a larger pool of roleplayers to meet if the only high profile community on the server is roleplayers.

So not everyone is up to date on these communities and will just hear "oh this is that communities server?Â Guess I'll roll there."Â The vocal part, bad or good, is not the majority.

And where did I mention griefers?Â Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to assume that's my chief worry, and maybe you shouldn't start off so defensive because you believe I'm smacktalking a community that you now have me assuming you belong to because of your kneejerk reaction.

(08-14-2013, 03:04 PM)Yeldir Melfusor Wrote: Something Awful isn't coming to Gilgamesh. Â They're set on Excalibur. Â (Personally, I think the goons are a riot. Â Following their antics in various games has something I've always enjoyed.)

Reddit, on the other hand - well, those of us who consider ourselves the leaders of the Gilgamesh Or Bust movement, we've been making a special effort to recruit from Reddit, and it's paying off already. Â Look at the Gilgamesh directory. Â I'd estimate that 1 in 4 of the recent entries are from Reddit'rs. Â There's no war between Reddit and Gilgamesh RPC, and from the looks of things, there never will be one, unless people on our end provoke it. Â If you don't believe me, have a look at Reddit's FFXIV subreddits. Â Some of them are genuinely interested in roleplaying with us. Â We'll be giving them the VIP treatment. Â They'll be welcome at the beach party, and at any of the other major public events in, or out of character.

The us vs them mentality is going out of style. Â I don't identify with the things you're saying here, and I don't want new people from Reddit identifying what you're saying with us. Â That isn't how I roll, and to be perfectly frank, the majority of the people moving to Gilgamesh don't roll that way, either.

Blue Gartr? Â I sincerely doubt most of them will even care what we're doing. Â I may even raid with them, as they run pretty good progression groups. Â A lot the friends I've made out of this fledgling Gilgamesh crew feel the same way. Â We think Reddit and Blue Gartr alike should be welcomed to our events, and tolerated with good humor if they make a mess.

If you don't want to play with, recruit from, and mingle with these communities, perhaps you should reconsider your server choice.

Refer to above.Â There are legitimate reasons beyond "oh noes I will get trolled by the big bad internets" that people would want a different server.

Chief amongst them, as mentioned, are that at least two of three of those communities are massive, and as anyone who's suffered ridiculous queue times know, they're not fun.

Yeldir Melfusor · **08-14-2013, 04:14 PM**

A good argument, Fenrir, I hope you don't expect me to take it seriously.

Had you been concerned specifically about server population, you would have said that you were concerned about server population in the first place. You didn't even mention it. I know the game well enough to know the deflection technique you're employing here.

But all of that's not really a productive line of thinking. Rather than allow this to degenerate further, I'll say one thing, and step out of this, before I get my 0% tarnished:

Most of us are looking forward to the populous, messy Gilgamesh, and we're not afraid of queue-times or what have you. There's zero chance of a change at this point. The Gilgamesh community has become entrenched. Consider other options, or dig in. I mean that with the best of intentions.

Fenrir · **08-14-2013, 04:32 PM**

(08-14-2013, 04:14 PM)Yeldir Melfusor Wrote: A good argument, Fenrir, I hope you don't expect me to take it seriously. Â

Had you been concerned specifically about server population, you would have said that you were concerned about server population in the first place. Â You didn't even mention it. Â I know the game well enough to know the deflection technique you're employing here. Â

But all of that's not really a productive line of thinking. Â Rather than allow this to degenerate further, I'll say one thing, and step out of this, before I get my 0% tarnished:

Most of us are looking forward to the populous, messy Gilgamesh, and we're not afraid of queue-times or what have you. Â There's zero chance of a change at this point. Â The Gilgamesh community has become entrenched. Â Consider other options, or dig in. Â I mean that with the best of intentions.

That's classic.Â I say one would be bad enough, and you assume that I'm badmouthing your community, and in the same breath condemn me for being worried about griefers and trolls, and swearing up and down that because you're trying to recruit from reddit, it's all A-okay.Â Then when corrected, you stick to your guns instead of admitting you've presumed incorrectly, and brush aside the real sticking point with a handwave of "but we've already decided, and I speak for everyone when I say we won't mind the queues."

Selsix · **08-14-2013, 04:39 PM**

(08-14-2013, 03:54 PM)Fenrir Wrote: Chief amongst them, as mentioned, are that at least two of three of those communities are massive, and as anyone who's suffered ridiculous queue times know, they're not fun.

You do realize that's not how queue times work, right?

Larger servers = more people queueing up = more queues
Smaller servers = less people queueing up = fewer queues

raindrops · **08-14-2013, 05:28 PM**

It might be worth keeping this on the shelf until after Phase 4. There'll be a lot of people in the beta, probably far more than there will be in game a few weeks after launch. It'll be a good time to stress test and see how bad things are at absolute peak times. If things are smooth during the beta, chances are they'll be smooth in actual play, at least from a week after launch onwards.Â

If there's a lot of problems during beta, especially with potential queues, then it'll be worth bringing up this discussion again then once we know what those problems are. It'll be less painful to lose a few days of beta progress than to have to queue for roleplaying funtimes.

CrimsonMars · **08-15-2013, 04:05 AM**

Excuse my ignorance, but what is Reddit and Blue Gartr anyway and what is the controversy between them and us?

Gideon Aryeh · **08-15-2013, 04:38 AM**

(08-15-2013, 04:05 AM)CrimsonMars Wrote: Excuse my ignorance, but what is Reddit and Blue Gartr anyway and what is the controversy between them and us?

Honestly for those going to Gilgamesh at this point there isn't any. But many roleplayers in general have valid concerns about them due to past experiences with them trolling.

I haven't heard anything about BlueGartr aside from them being progression snobs and well that's the nature of any mmo *shrugs* I mean you are never going to get past that just like you are never going to get past griefers.

And as far as Reddit goes I have found SEVERAL threads on their site just by conducting Google searches mind you that reflect interest in roleplaying. Recently Sony Online Entertainment has even put up a post asking a question related to roleplay for their upcoming Everquest Next. So my question is this. If a major mmo company like SOE is going to Reddit to ask about roleplaying and not to a rp site dedicated to roleplaying what does that tell you? That there must be a significant amount of roleplayers on Reddit.

Love them or hate them multimillion dollar companies know where their audiences hang out.

Just think about reality of this for a bit, and look at the responses.

Here is the thread below
http://www.reddit.com/r/EQNext/comments/...be/cblpndy

Here is my response to the naysayers on the beta forums in Yeldir's post. Just wanted to give them something to think about. Nobody has respondedÂ aside from a person that will hopefully be joining us on the server for roleplaying.

Quote:Just want to say a few things for the naysayers.

Last phase I was making the community aware of the fact that there will be roleplayers on the server.

And guess what happened? There was a lot of interest. People were happy they didn't have to leave their crafting/raiding/progression/etc guilds. They were happy that they could finally try out roleplay for the first time without having to change servers. Why? Because the community is so diverse. And this isn't to say that no other server would be as diverse as Gilgamesh.This is to say that yes with all the different communities going there - there will be something for everyone. Want to hang out with the great endgamers - do it. Want to hang out with the roleplayers - do it, want to hang out with the great crafters - do it. Want to learn from the best minmaxers - do it. Everytime I made a post I spoke to various LS/FC leaders who were interested in roleplay being on the server. Why? Because all of them had members of their NON RP organizations who were interested in rp but they as leaders couldn't provide these things to their members.

Bottom line is this, for every negative there is a positive. YOU may not like rp, but trust me, you will have at least one friend who does or who might be interested. At least be respectful to those that do and if its not your thing ignore them. A more inclusive, varied and diverse community for all is a good thing. This was also something I was told when I was making these community notices during phase 3. I even managed to do an impromptu rp class with a group that most isolationist roleplayers would completely write off once they saw their character names.
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Such types of things will be the order of the day on Gilgamesh, such things will be the norm. Just like I am sure some of you can tell me the best class combinations for maxing out dps or making the best quality weapons, well I can teach you how to roleplay and make the game more fun during those boring times once you maxed out everything. Its a win win situation, and remember just because you may not want this doesn't mean that your best bud who is playing the game with you wouldn't be interested either. People are not clones, just because you don't like something doesn't mean that your friends have a problem with it.

So lets not be so selfish yes? More options is better for everyone and if more people join -your- guild on Gilgamesh because they can craft/raid/pvp/endgame and even rp too isn't that better for your bottom line as a guild leader?

"Oh we don't do rp but if you decide to join us there is rp on the server so you won't be disappointed"

And what is wrong with saying something like the line above? Because guess what, that's exactly what will be happening on the server that some guild leaders will be saying knowing that they won't have to lose people for their guilds who also want to rp. Stop thinking about -yourself- and think about others too. Besides we will be providing plenty of things to do like events where people can participate and have fun even without being in character. Fun social events for everyone that is respectful to attend. Think of it in the same way you think of going to see a play for the evening but you don't have to leave the comfort your home.

Bottom line is that you as guild leaders will have competition in recruiting. Do you think you will recruit more people than the guild who does the same thing you do, but has no issues with roleplayers joining their crafting/pvp/progression/endgame guilds? Do you think you will get new members as fast as the GL that is open minded enough to say "Well you know the guild doesn't do rp but I can send you to some guys who can help with that being that there is rp on the server".

Are you 100 percent confident that you won't have and will never have any contact with potential new recruits who also may have an interest in rp? Will you not allow people into your guild if they do have such an interest? Just think about this for a minute.

See you in game!

Just had to give them something to chew on for a bit.

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