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Reppu · **09-03-2013, 11:33 PM**

In my opinion; healing magic can only heal what is understood. In terms of the psychological damage, one cannot so simply say they understand the roots of the injury, and simply wipe them away.

The more limited application of healing potions and the like, while not needing to 'understand' the injury, are also not able to just be freely consumed with little wait between. The healing properties are likely easily overdosed and deadly. Much like actual medication can be.

Thus why Esuna and Leeches could not so easily wipe out a plague; it is yet understood. The art of the Conjurer/White Mage and the art of the Scholar put a lot of emphasis on understanding, and the balance of the arts you wield.

There is no doubt healing magic is potent, and it should be treated as such. If you wish to 'get around it' to make 'injuries have more merit', then you need to make such things grievous, or ill understood.

In the end, though, just play responsibly, and work things to your own needs.

TL;DR - Healing magic can heal what is understood by the wielder.

Shae'ra · **09-04-2013, 12:03 AM**

This is the way, with the knowledge I have come across through the Conj quests I was going to go about it:
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As for healing potions, that is up to each person. I typically have viewed them in the past as an emergency potion used only to cover you until you can receive real treatment for whatever is going wrong. Just enough to keep you alive.

Roda · **09-04-2013, 12:30 AM**

(09-04-2013, 12:03 AM)Nahv Wrote: This is the way, with the knowledge I have come across through the Conj quests I was going to go about it:
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Spoilers up til level 15 Conj
Every living thing is made of aether, including bodies, when you die - your body is returned to the aetheric stream. (I'm not going to go into the reviving bit)

Conj who do not draw aether from around them, like Slyphie does (or whatever he name is,doh!) then draw from their own lifesource. Which is why she was banned from healing/reviving.Â

If you are doing it properly, I imagine you would be drawing from the stream of aether that is all around us (as the goggles that the Scions wear are able to see) and infusing it with the aether of the person who is wounded. (Binding old and new aether together to reconstruct what was damaged)

Now, I am not a fan of "you are healed, perfectly fine" so I would sit there and imagine that with the way its done, they would need rest or be sore. Victims would be weakened in that area for a bit. Granted, that is where the lore doesn't quite mention if it's an instant heal-all or not, but since I don't think people should have no consequences for being hurt: so I would personally roll that way.

This is talking physical only, not mental.

As for healing potions, that is up to each person. I typically have viewed them in the past as an emergency potion used only to cover you until you can receive real treatment for whatever is going wrong. Just enough to keep you alive.

Now, I'm curious, is every living thing MADE out of aether, or does it just play an important role for life to function? Â Like, if you could extract ALL the aether out of someone, would they just disappear? Â
'Cause I was under the impression that it was closer to life-force (like, tangible energy), than some kind of fundamental particle that makes up the collections of matter we call living things.

Lost River · **09-04-2013, 12:32 AM**

From what I've seen, collected from lore in game and over time out of such with discussion and such.Â

Raise brings someone back from the brink of death from physical trauma or unconscious state (hence why you aren't full healed), it doesn't bring those back from the dead, healing spells are effective if the wound isn't too severe, loss of limb and such isn't curable with a magic spell (if it was, there would be no such thing as eye-patches in game for example), nor does it fix already damaged things that occur by natural circumstance (i.e. poor eyesight, again, they'd have no such thing as glasses if not).

Seeing as a lot of abnormal statuses are immediate or near immediate effects, Esuna works on something that say, someone was just petrified or poisoned, not someone who has a debilitating disease or places that are plagued with famine is given,

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Second Spoiler isn't a spoiler. Can't seem to edit the post. >.<

Shae'ra · **09-04-2013, 12:47 AM**

(09-04-2013, 12:30 AM)Roda Wrote: Now, I'm curious, is every living thing MADE out of aether, or does it just play an important role for life to function? Â Like, if you could extract ALL the aether out of someone, would they just disappear? Â
'Cause I was under the impression that it was closer to life-force (like, tangible energy), than some kind of fundamental particle that makes up the collections of matter we call living things.

Hm, I was pretty sure that in the story line it mentioned that all things were of aether. I would jump in game and look again, but...maintenance.Â

Wiki Wrote:Though the exact mechanism behind teleportation via Aetheryte is still largely a mystery, one theory states that when a sentient being approaches one of the portals, the aether that makes up its body resonates with the aether of the crystals, which in turn results in a complete breakdown of the being's mass, allowing it to temporarily return to the invisible aetheric streams that course throughout the planet. The being's soul, which cannot be broken down, then guides the particles to a predetermined destination, and upon arrival, the corresponding Aetheryte receptacle reconfigures the mist back into its original form. This whole process takes only a matter of moments, allowing for nearly instant transportation to faraway destinations.

I would imagine in order to travel the aether stream, you would need to be comprised of entirely aether, other than the soul. When you die, your soul is not reunited (obviously) therefore that is where the revive ability is where I am unsure if it would be able to return the soul to the physical form of the body if you were able to do it right away. (There is a part in your story line that mentions someone dying and everyone was rather upset. I don't know if they were unable to revive him for one reason or another or didn't try or if once you are gone it is 'dead is dead'. However, they also included talking about reviving someone in the personal story line as well -- so it must be possible to do on a lore level, not just a game mechanic.)Though, for the purposes of healing alone: I would imagine reconstruction of the body would be possible via aether binding. But it is also important to note:

Wiki Again Wrote:However, being broken down to the aetheric level can take its toll on one's body, and rest is often required after several consecutive jumps, especially as the distance becomes greater. As a precaution, most city-states strongly discourage over-teleporting, as it can lead to irreversible damage.

With that, I would imagine having new aether fused to your body to reconstruct/heal would also require resting time specially because it is not your 'normal' or 'typical' aether you are used to having as a part of your body.

LeCard · **09-04-2013, 12:53 AM**

When I think of how the Aether works in 14 I tend to think along the lines of FFVII Lifestream

Everything is "made of it" but the physical body/elements are still tangible items, unless it is returned to the lifestream.

This even works with Nahv'ir's quote. Think of how cloud goes through the lifestream (but since the soul isn't immersed in the stream it doesn't get overwhelmed and lost.

Naunet · **09-04-2013, 01:25 AM**

(09-03-2013, 11:05 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: Additionally, there's some lore regarding how you return to Aetherytes when severely injured if you've been attuned to them. I can't for the life of me find the reference right now, though.

I think you're recalling a statement that was made in regards to aetheryte attunement in general - not when one dies. Just that if your body dissociates into the aether stream, if you've attuned to a particular aetheryte, you'll tend to come back together there. It was basically explaining the Return spell.

I could be wrong, though. xD

Cato · **09-04-2013, 01:27 AM**

I've always found it to be much more interesting to tone down the extent at which magic can be used to heal a wounded character in order to add more depth to a particular story. I also cannot help but note that magic in this setting does not appear to be widespread or powerful enough to instantly heal anyone. Even front line soldiers are shown to be recovering in outposts and there's even one location - Camp Bronze Lake if I recall correctly - that shows wounded soldiers slowly recuperating in a hot spring.

In my eyes the likes of magic and alchemy are used to supplement the healing process to varying degrees of success and efficiency instead of solving things instantaneously. There's room for the odd exception here and there, mind you - such as an immensely powerful relic being used as part of a lengthy ongoing plot.

Roda · **09-04-2013, 01:49 AM**

(Sorry, this is my first FF game, so I'm not familiar with this "life stream" you speak of)

(09-04-2013, 12:47 AM)Nahv Wrote:
(09-04-2013, 12:30 AM)Roda Wrote: Now, I'm curious, is every living thing MADE out of aether, or does it just play an important role for life to function? Â Like, if you could extract ALL the aether out of someone, would they just disappear? Â
'Cause I was under the impression that it was closer to life-force (like, tangible energy), than some kind of fundamental particle that makes up the collections of matter we call living things.

Hm, I was pretty sure that in the story line it mentioned that all things were of aether. I would jump in game and look again, but...maintenance.Â

Wiki Wrote:Though the exact mechanism behind teleportation via Aetheryte is still largely a mystery, one theory states that when a sentient being approaches one of the portals, the aether that makes up its body resonates with the aether of the crystals, which in turn results in a complete breakdown of the being's mass, allowing it to temporarily return to the invisible aetheric streams that course throughout the planet. The being's soul, which cannot be broken down, then guides the particles to a predetermined destination, and upon arrival, the corresponding Aetheryte receptacle reconfigures the mist back into its original form. This whole process takes only a matter of moments, allowing for nearly instant transportation to faraway destinations.

I would imagine in order to travel the aether stream, you would need to be comprised of entirely aether, other than the soul. When you die, your soul is not reunited (obviously) therefore that is where the revive ability is where I am unsure if it would be able to return the soul to the physical form of the body if you were able to do it right away. (There is a part in your story line that mentions someone dying and everyone was rather upset. I don't know if they were unable to revive him for one reason or another or didn't try or if once you are gone it is 'dead is dead'. However, they also included talking about reviving someone in the personal story line as well -- so it must be possible to do on a lore level, not just a game mechanic.)Though, for the purposes of healing alone: I would imagine reconstruction of the body would be possible via aether binding. But it is also important to note:

Wiki Again Wrote:However, being broken down to the aetheric level can take its toll on one's body, and rest is often required after several consecutive jumps, especially as the distance becomes greater. As a precaution, most city-states strongly discourage over-teleporting, as it can lead to irreversible damage.

With that, I would imagine having new aether fused to your body to reconstruct/heal would also require resting time specially because it is not your 'normal' or 'typical' aether you are used to having as a part of your body.

So.. If I understand this, aether is less energy, but more some kind of data format that the universe uses, and there's some property to living things (possibly the ownership of a soul) that allows it to resonate with the aetherytes and other functions of aether?

Mooncalling · **09-04-2013, 01:57 AM**

The Lifestream he mentioned was a major plot point of FFVII.

Essentially, the Lifestream was the lifeblood and energy of the planet. Â Shinra Corporation (a shadowy group in FFVII) had learned of a way to convert the Lifestream into electricity and at that point most of the people on the planet used that energy to power their homes, tech, etc. Â Thus, the planet was being drained of it's essence and then the rest of the game happens. (This being a super quick summary from memory.)

As for Aether, I will admit I am not far enough through the story to quite understand it's role, though it seems to be a similar concept to the Lifestream.

Jomoru · **09-04-2013, 02:24 AM**

I am of the opinion that Raise and equivalents are much closer to a magical and some what more powerful version of the shock paddles in modern medicine than anything more long term.

As for why there are scars, people die, people get sick there's only so much energy nature can provide. Â Conjurers are taught to balance the needs of all. Â Arcanists don't seem to have the same issues but Arcanists seem to be rareish enough that not everyone can get things just healed up(Scholars even more so)

(09-04-2013, 01:27 AM)Theodric Brandt Wrote: I've always found it to be much more interesting to tone down the extent at which magic can be used to heal a wounded character in order to add more depth to a particular story. I also cannot help but note that magic in this setting does not appear to be widespread or powerful enough to instantly heal anyone. Even front line soldiers are shown to be recovering in outposts and there's even one location - Camp Bronze Lake if I recall correctly - that shows wounded soldiers slowly recuperating in a hot spring.

In my eyes the likes of magic and alchemy are used to supplement the healing process to varying degrees of success and efficiency instead of solving things instantaneously. There's room for the odd exception here and there, mind you - such as an immensely powerful relic being used as part of a lengthy ongoing plot.

Or more simply there aren't enough healers to go around. There is only so much healing that can be handed out. There are alot more people who go out swinging axes and spears than there are people who learn to heal(And Scholars are a lost art!)

I think Lore is really more on the side of healers are amazing, too bad the world is filled with 10 times as many people getting hurts and sick than they could ever cover.

Kismet · **09-04-2013, 02:30 AM**

I tend to be very, very wary of using magic in my RP if I'm playing a healer/doctor/medic. So far, I've only played this type of role twice (and both cases are very recent, so I don't have a ton of experience on this front at all).

I had an evil character in TERA who was a Priestess. A large majority of actual healing RP I did with her was magic-inclined, but she never tackled any extreme injuries. Her thing was conning people into paying big-time coin for her mediocre services. In that particular scenario, I felt it was okay to have her healing come from magic a majority of the time. She wasn't a 'dedicated' healer, and when she did use her spells, they would actually be pretty darn weak ICly.

Now, in GW2, I still (somewhat) currently play a Necromancer who is a doctor. This character has a very strict idea about how she feels magic should be used, and that's sparingly. She primarily uses blood magic to heal others, which is a great sacrifice on her part. I decided to treat this with an "eye for an eye" philosophy. If your character was stabbed in the leg and needed it healed right now, my character could use her blood magic to completely remove the stab wound -- at the price of transferring the woundÂ to herself. This is inconvenient and obviously painful, so about 80% of her work consists of the use of organic, home-made medicines/salves. For poisons, I ask the afflicted player how they want it handled. My character will attempt to create an antidote and the results from that point onward are up to them (or me, should that be what they desire, in which case I will roll on it).

The latter character is a lot of fun to RP (not just because of how she handles her magic, but mainly because of her personality paired with a stalwart aversion to heavy reliance upon magic), and I think that is the approach I want to continue to use while RPing healers in the future. I will use naturally-made medicine and tend to injuries in the way anyone would in an old-world setting where magic is absent, but save magic for extreme emergencies. Depending on how extreme the injury is, I will compensate by having my character hurt/exerted pretty significantly in the process. I'm also partial to the healing in particular not being capable of 'insta-cure'. The end result will usually be the wound barely closing and leaving a scar, light/temporary alleviation of pain, slightly speeding up the rate at which a bone fracture repairs itself, etc.

I do all of this while keeping an open dialogue with the player of the character being treated, doing my best to keep the experience as interesting for them as possible and catering to their interests/preferences.

LiadansWhisper · **09-04-2013, 02:51 AM**

I'm not sure how much of this would give away spoilers from the Conjurer questline, so...

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I personally tend to RP out magical healing however the other player wishes it to be played out. Â If they want it to cure without a scar, that's what it does. Â If they want it to do most of the healing work, but leave something for them to recover from, that's what it does. Â If they want it to not work at all, that's what happens and we come up with an RP reason as to why it doesn't. Â I think it's too easy to use magic to erase all danger/wounds, but that if you don't allow magical healing in RP, you kind of lose some of the wonder of the setting. Â Sad

Shae'ra · **09-04-2013, 02:53 AM**

(09-04-2013, 01:49 AM)Roda Wrote: (Sorry, this is my first FF game, so I'm not familiar with this "life stream" you speak of)

So.. If I understand this, aether is less energy, but more some kind of data format that the universe uses, and there's some property to living things (possibly the ownership of a soul) that allows it to resonate with the aetherytes and other functions of aether?

No worries, I am still new to some of the lore as well, learning along the way both through research and through the stories in ARR. Perhaps the two links will be of a bit more assistance. Aether and Atheryte as to explain the whole of what it is. Though, those pages in themselves are not fully able to explain the answers.

Aether is an energy but it holds a physical form: mist or solid. The goggles that the Scions have are able to see the aetheric flow/stream/mist whereas we cannot see the mist form naturally (from what I gather) All the wiki states is that it is the aether that constructs beings resonates, not the soul, however, it doesn't state really why only sentient beings can resonate. It could have to do with a conscious decision (when you attune in game, you hold your hand up to/out to the shard) to desire to resonate/attune.

Dieuvont · **09-04-2013, 03:05 AM**

(09-04-2013, 01:49 AM)Roda Wrote: So.. If I understand this, aether is less energy, but more some kind of data format that the universe uses, and there's some property to living things (possibly the ownership of a soul) that allows it to resonate with the aetherytes and other functions of aether?

That varies upon what you believe a data format ought to do and function for. In this circumstance in particular, regarding what comprises sentient and living beings alike, Aeather is the matter that all living beings are comprised of, and should that Aether be disrupted, it may cause complications.

The real inquiry ought to be towards whether or not Aether is a spiritual or physical phenomenon. As of presently, it appears to be highly physical or essentially affecting the physical realm, thus a soul would be less likely to directly interact with it as it is mainly a spiritual aspect of a sentient being.

Aether may easily function as air, as there is a flow of it throughout the entirety of the world, however, while it is physically present, it is not immediately tangible through means of the five senses.

As a form of energy, Aether is in fact an energy source as stated on the Final Fantasy wiki. In further addition, it is stated to be either in mist or solid form. Higher concentrations create a dangerous environment and may cause adverse affect to the living world. It is only logical to then assume that, while Aether is mostly found in its mist format, it is spread relatively thin throughout the entirety of the world. By doing so, it remains everywhere but refrains from bringing negative occurrences into fruition.

In regards to Aether passing through objects, it is proper to say that it may simply be able to do so swiftly by avoiding contact with the atomic structure of the solid object and evading collision. Aether is also stated to be what all living beings are comprised of, as mentioned prior, and thus allows for them to interact with the flow and ever churning energy of the Aether. Many may question the reality of sentient creatures being comprised of Aether, however, while it appears in mist or solid form, it is not specified that Aether's solid form is only crystal.

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