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LiadansWhisper · **11-22-2013, 05:19 AM**

(11-22-2013, 04:50 AM)Theodric Ironheart Wrote:
(11-20-2013, 11:34 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: I personally find it hilarious how butthurt the paladin posters are on the official forums. Â >.>

(This probably belongs in FFXIV Discussion)

'Nerf <insert every class that I don't play here> and buff <insert my primary class here>!

Â
Basically!

Also: YOU VANISHED. Â Angry

raindrops · **11-22-2013, 02:49 PM**

(11-22-2013, 12:52 AM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: I felt the need to contribute, so I'm reposting this. Â Note: This is NOT my work! :-P

Oh. My. Gosh.

You guys.

Look at that WAR.Â

He's like, so, OP.

He looks like, one of those Coil MTs. pshh
They only want him in their group, because, he just got a total BUFF, 'kay?
I can't believe he's just so good, it's like, so unfair to PLDs, I mean - come on!
Look! He's just so...BUFFED!

I LIKE - BIG - BUFFS and I cannot lie,
You other tanks can't deny
That when a tank walks in with tons of HP
and mitigation from IB you get -Â
FUN, wanna WAR in your party
because you notice he's hearty
Deep in coil he's tankin'
Caduceus won't be spankin'
Ohh WAR-guy, I wanna group with you,
WAR in coil no longer taboo.
My PLD friends tried to warn me,
but that HP you got makes me-me-me say YATZEE!
Ooh, Thrill of Battle,
Those jelly PLDs will prattle
Well, friend me, friend me,
You got crazy enmity
I see PLDs slashin'
tell hell with shield bashin'!
Your tough, buff,
PLD are gonna get snuffed!
I'm tired of swords and shields,
seeing boring blocks and low heals!
Ask the average healer, "Which tank's got the floor?" -
"They gotta be a WAR"

I LIKE BIG BUFFS

Original: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threa....-My.-Gosh.

Was I the only one who started out reading this to the tune of 'part of your world' and then received the best surprise ever?

Varus · **11-23-2013, 03:56 AM**

11/10

That post was amazing.

N'taeyl · **11-24-2013, 12:02 PM**

I'm personally very happy with the buffs, but a little confused why they added in extra enmity gain?Â I've never had a problem keeping hate, even with subpar gear compared to relic users until they went full blown, and that's the gears fault.Â I don't know Paladin quite as well but with the extra damage reduction it helps put them on equal grounds, but now with enmity gain does it tilt in favor of Warriors now?Â And it'll keep going back and forth with each patch...I hope not.

Zyrusticae · **11-24-2013, 02:58 PM**

The extra enmity is to help improve Warrior TP management (alongside the the changes to the Storm skills) and allow Warriors to work the Storm skills into their rotation without having to worry about dropping aggro so much.

Since Warriors have no way of regaining TP other than auto attack tics, it was a necessary change to prevent us from running out of TP loooong before a Paladin would do the same.

Aleister · **11-26-2013, 01:11 PM**

(11-24-2013, 12:02 PM)Saikoray Wrote: I'm personally very happy with the buffs, but a little confused why they added in extra enmity gain?Â I've never had a problem keeping hate, even with subpar gear compared to relic users until they went full blown, and that's the gears fault.Â I don't know Paladin quite as well but with the extra damage reduction it helps put them on equal grounds, but now with enmity gain does it tilt in favor of Warriors now?Â And it'll keep going back and forth with each patch...I hope not.

I don't know why Defiance for Warriors gained a increased in enmity, seems a bit much to add more but maybe they saw it fit because of 2.1? Maybe we were at a disadvantage with Paladins with their Shield Oath+Mana Pool (Meaning they could flash a lot more then a Warrior can.)

I see Over Power and Steel Cyclone for sure needing enmity generating increased. SC currently has none but our base damage.

Over Power has enmity bonus to it.. Just from what I've seen it really isn't that great in dungeon/raid run situations where there will be a lot of AoE damage going out.. OP at the moment doesn't do a very good job with mobs unless we use a fair amount of it.. Which would result in being TP Starved which is bad.

My view on it and why Yoshi bumped/added the enmity up on these two skills, it'll help reserve our Tactical Points... Defiance on the other hand? -shrug- No idea why he buffed the enmity.

Edit: Also! Don't see why they added a chain grip to Holmgang.. Its a gimped hallowed ground! >_< Should have just made that chain grip move its own skill.. I only see it being usefully if a boss is on the lose and you can grab it and stick to you.. Giving your raid time to regroup itself.

Folken · **11-26-2013, 02:31 PM**

(11-26-2013, 01:11 PM)Aleister Wrote: I don't know why Defiance for Warriors gained a increased in enmity, seems a bit much to add more but maybe they saw it fit because of 2.1? Maybe we were at a disadvantage with Paladins with their Shield Oath+Mana Pool (Meaning they could flash a lot more then a Warrior can.)

I see Over Power and Steel Cyclone for sure needing enmity generating increased. SC currently has none but our base damage.

Over Power has enmity bonus to it.. Just from what I've seen it really isn't that great in dungeon/raid run situations where there will be a lot of AoE damage going out.. OP at the moment doesn't do a very good job with mobs unless we use a fair amount of it.. Which would result in being TP Starved which is bad.

My view on it and why Yoshi bumped/added the enmity up on these two skills, it'll help reserve our Tactical Points... Defiance on the other hand? -shrug- No idea why he buffed the enmity.

Edit: Also! Don't see why they added a chain grip to Holmgang.. Its a gimped hallowed ground! >_< Should have just made that chain grip move its own skill.. I only see it being usefully if a boss is on the lose and you can grab it and stick to you.. Giving your raid time to regroup itself.

The enmity increase on Defiance and increased enmity elsewhere is because Warriors now will be throwing out non-emnity combos A LOT more often. Now that we have a good reason to use Storm's Path to apply a damage debuff to enemies. This means Warriors will now be throwing out a Storm's Path combo and a Storm's Eye combo often, meaning less Butcher's Block combos. This has been mentioned earlier in this thread as well.

Additionally now that they're receiving 20% more healing that's making the Healer's spells create more enmity as well.

Aleister · **11-26-2013, 03:27 PM**

(11-26-2013, 02:31 PM)Folken Wrote:
(11-26-2013, 01:11 PM)Aleister Wrote: -snip-
The enmity increase on Defiance and increased enmity elsewhere is because Warriors now will be throwing out non-emnity combos A LOT more often. Now that we have a good reason to use Storm's Path to apply a damage debuff to enemies. This means Warriors will now be throwing out a Storm's Path combo and a Storm's Eye combo often, meaning less Butcher's Block combos. This has been mentioned earlier in this thread as well.

Additionally now that they're receiving 20% more healing that's making the Healer's spells create more enmity as well.

I keep disregarding the 5% healing increase we're getting because I'm forgetful but yes that is valid enough reason to increase enmity on defiance(If the healer out gears the warrior). I don't can't really see how myself from experience tanking BUT I'm not a dev and my opinions are mute compared to them.Â Big Grin

Rotations will be based on the SP's duration.. but Butcher's Block combos generate enough enmity that this shouldn't be a problem eitherway, especially with the Defiance buff, this doesn't apply to how group pulling should be handled as thats a whole different rotation. It really falls into how long SP's duration is on mobs.

TeeBeeDee · **12-05-2013, 05:27 PM**

In regards to Defiance, here's the outlook from a white mage.

Existing Defiance is set up that I have to work harder to heal your hp than I do a paladin. Each Wrath stack you put on makes me work less, ultimately at a full stack I am now working AS hard as I would when healing a PLD. If you use your stack for whatever reason, I now have to work harder to heal your added HP.

The new defiance makes it so that the moment you gain the extra HP, you gain the added Healing, so the moment you turn on defiance, healing you is equally as intensive (from an HP to HP standpoint) as healing a PLD.

The change isn't so much for you, it's more for me! I am no longer paying a cost for your use of Wrath, which reduces the usefulness of "sitting on wrath stacks" and incentivizes actually using abilities that utilize them.

As for Inner Beast, The existing inner beast makes you and your healers step on each others toes. If you take a big hit, I'm loading a big heal, if you load a big heal as well (inner beast), chances are between the two of them overhealing is going to happen. By changing it into a % dmg reduction it effectively makes it so that my actions no longer nullify your actions and vice versa.

All in all, I'm looking forward to the changes.

~Tzain Nival

Aleister · **12-07-2013, 06:19 AM**

(12-05-2013, 05:27 PM)TeeBeeDee Wrote: In regards to Defiance, here's the outlook from a white mage.

Existing Defiance is set up that I have to work harder to heal your hp than I do a paladin. Each Wrath stack you put on makes me work less, ultimately at a full stack I am now working AS hard as I would when healing a PLD. If you use your stack for whatever reason, I now have to work harder to heal your added HP.

The new defiance makes it so that the moment you gain the extra HP, you gain the added Healing, so the moment you turn on defiance, healing you is equally as intensive (from an HP to HP standpoint) as healing a PLD.

The change isn't so much for you, it's more for me! I am no longer paying a cost for your use of Wrath, which reduces the usefulness of "sitting on wrath stacks" and incentivizes actually using abilities that utilize them.

As for Inner Beast, The existing inner beast makes you and your healers step on each others toes. If you take a big hit, I'm loading a big heal, if you load a big heal as well (inner beast), chances are between the two of them overhealing is going to happen. By changing it into a % dmg reduction it effectively makes it so that my actions no longer nullify your actions and vice versa.

All in all, I'm looking forward to the changes.

~Tzain Nival

^^ I never said I had a problem with making it a passive buff. I completely agree with what you say. I personally didn't see the need to increase enmity or the 5% increase healing in defiance at the time based on personal experience but no one plays like I do or like anyone else so experiences differ. I'm just happy that I won't be a pain to my healers anymore and feel bad since they're making warriors a proper tank.. Now.. I will enjoy watching the increase of WAR pop and giggle at the silly stuff I'll be expecting on the tank forums.

Aleister · **12-07-2013, 06:23 AM**

(11-24-2013, 02:58 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote: The extra enmity is to help improve Warrior TP management (alongside the the changes to the Storm skills) and allow Warriors to work the Storm skills into their rotation without having to worry about dropping aggro so much.

Since Warriors have no way of regaining TP other than auto attack tics, it was a necessary change to prevent us from running out of TP loooong before a Paladin would do the same.

If they aren't spamming OP and a warrior somehow gets TP starved they are really doing something wrong, I'd agree with this if they weren't decreasing the TP cost of our SE and SP's rotation.

TeeBeeDee · **12-09-2013, 03:50 PM**

(12-07-2013, 06:19 AM)Aleister Wrote:
(12-05-2013, 05:27 PM)TeeBeeDee Wrote: All in all, I'm looking forward to the changes.

~Tzain Nival
^^ I never said I had a problem with making it a passive buff. I completely agree with what you say. I personally didn't see the need to increase enmity or the 5% increase healing in defiance at the time based on personal experience but no one plays like I do or like anyone else so experiences differ. I'm just happy that I won't be a pain to my healers anymore and feel bad since they're making warriors a proper tank.. Now.. I will enjoy watching the increase of WAR pop and giggle at the silly stuff I'll be expecting on the tank forums.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to insinuate that you did. I was just putting my own perspective on the changes. I thought the advantage of another outlook would be helpful.

~Tzain Nival

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