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Warren Castille · **07-11-2014, 01:25 PM**

"Hey, is this idea too far-fetched?"

"No, that's actually established as having happened in the story, but you're not allowed to use it because reasons."

TL;DR for anyone just jumping in.

LiadansWhisper · **07-11-2014, 01:28 PM**

(07-11-2014, 01:25 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: "Hey, is this idea too far-fetched?"

"No, that's actually established as having happened in the story, but you're not allowed to use it because reasons."

TL;DR for anyone just jumping in.

Pretty sure you're misinterpreting what was said.

ArmachiA · **07-11-2014, 01:28 PM**

(07-11-2014, 01:25 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: "Hey, is this idea too far-fetched?"

"No, that's actually established as having happened in the story, but you're not allowed to use it because reasons."

TL;DR for anyone just jumping in.

Said no one in this thread.

**Unnamed Mercenary** · **07-11-2014, 01:29 PM**

(07-11-2014, 01:25 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: "Hey, is this idea too far-fetched?"

"No, that's actually established as having happened in the story, but you're not allowed to use it because reasons."

TL;DR for anyone just jumping in.

Slightly adjusted:

"Is this idea too far fetched?"

"Slightly. While it is possible, the chances of it are /extremely/ rare and not the norm. That isn't to say impossible, but don't expect that the other people who interact with that character will knowingly let her get away with it ICly." *some form of an explosion*

Naunet · **07-11-2014, 01:29 PM**

It's all in the tone and manner of phrasing. Thinly veiled superiority disguised as "helpful" advice is not really how one should go about providing feedback.

There's nothing in lore that would prevent a character from RPing someone who drains their own life force to heal others. As long as it's roleplayed effectively, it shouldn't bother anyone else.

LiadansWhisper · **07-11-2014, 01:30 PM**

(07-11-2014, 01:29 PM)Naunet Wrote: It's all in the tone and manner of phrasing. Thinly veiled superiority disguised as "helpful" advice is not really how one should go about providing feedback.

There's nothing in lore that would prevent a character from RPing someone who drains their own life force to heal others. As long as it's roleplayed effectively, it shouldn't bother anyone else.

Reading tone into text is pretty much never a good idea.

Also: No one here, as far as I can tell from re-reading the thread, ever said that it was impossible. They explained why the OP's justification for why she was doing so probably wouldn't work, and then explained how magic works in general because the OP specifically stated she did not know how the various schools of magic work in this game.

ArmachiA · **07-11-2014, 01:31 PM**

Tone is hard to parse on the internet and unfair to assume the tone of someone was "Thinly veiled superiority" just because they didn't use emoticons or whatever. Come on, that's hardly fair

(07-11-2014, 01:29 PM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote: Slightly adjusted:

"Is this idea too far fetched?"

"Slightly. While it is possible, the chances of it are /extremely/ rare and not the norm. That isn't to say impossible, but don't expect that the other people who interact with that character will knowingly let her get away with it ICly." *some form of an explosion*

This one I can get down with.

Kage · **07-11-2014, 01:32 PM**

I can understand why it is possible for a Conjurer to have it where their conjury would initially cause issues similar to Selphie because they learned it at home or trial by observation.

However, it seemed to imply early on in the conjurer guild quests that they would tell learners the importance of why that is so wrong, aka YOUR LIFE IS IN DANGER. That implied (to me anyway) that it's something learned or taught early. Or another conjurer will see it happening and try earnestly to say "No no no stop it. That is going to kill you very fast."

In my opinion, it's something that could be used as a plot point but not something that will persist all the time.

Zhavi · **07-11-2014, 01:35 PM**

(07-11-2014, 12:55 PM)Aria Wrote:
(07-11-2014, 12:40 PM)ArmachiA Wrote: I never avoid anyone, but if you already had the idea set in your head why did you ask for advice?

you asked in the thread

"That being said, are these ideas too out there or do they actually work?"

And when a lot of people went "It's too out there" you say you have to breastfeed people.

I don't know, it feels like you wanted an echo chamber of "Yes" then actual discussion.
I never mentioned anyone specifically in this thread avoiding me, but I have noticed an increase of people genuinely going out of their way to avoid talking to me.

Yes, I asked for advice, but there are people who have seemed as if my newness to the lore has been an inconvenience to them or a complete turn off. My point isn't that I'm upset that people didn't agree (there were also as many people saying the concept was fine as people not so I really could care less one way or the other), it's that someone else who may be newer than even I might find the treatment and responses as a complete turnoff to other RPers.

I know several people have approached me after this thread telling me that they're afraid to voice questions and concerns because they're afraid they'll get jumped or make someone angry and that is what I mean by breast feeding. People shouldn't have to change characters constantly to appease the ones that disagree.

I have mentioned that I am grateful for the help and I mean it. However, I didn't post this as a way for people to determine if I'm an irredeemable RPer and that feels like the outcome.

Rp drama is the most common drama out of all the online community groups I've been in.

Why?

Creating and building stories is personal. When things feel personal, emotional investment happens. It's human nature. And when you invest your emotions into it, sometimes trying to be helpful feels like you're trying to save someone from making a mistake -- and so people might appear to be forceful, or condescending, or even like they're condemning you, the player, for some idea you've had.

And, for what it's worth, there are people like that out there -- but from what I've seen in this community, I don't think there are very many (note that I have not experienced any personally, but I haven't met/seen everyone in the community).

But it can be very easy to feel attacked and respond in kind when you are very close to your ideas. I think as writers, roleplayers can sometimes get the two mixed up, both when trying to offer constructive criticism to someone, and in receiving it. And even when it isn't mixed up, sometimes the way things are worded can be misunderstood, or written in a way that seems like something is implied. It might even seem like an obvious attack to everyone but the person writing it.

In those moments, that's where it's important to remember that rping is a social hobby. A very social hobby. Communicating is very important. Rather than give in to the emotional reaction, try sending someone a pm to clarify things. All too often I see people -- sometimes especially at my workplace, which is very unfortunate considering it's non-profit and supposed to be a very supportive and understanding environment -- assume someone meant something negative rather than trying to clarify, ending in way too much negativity. It really saddens me to see it happen.

I mean, if someone is legit mean-spirited, then you'll get that even after trying to understand them. But unless you give them the chance, how are you going to know?

My point is this: take the advice as people legitimately trying to steer you away from things they consider to be hurtful to the lore. Take it as them trying to help -- even if in the end you don't feel that it is helpful. You don't have to accept advice, ever. However, in the spirit of community, even if you don't like the advice try to be thankful that at the very least, people are trying to help. Thank them for their time and move on.

If you truly feel someone is attacking you or being unfair, talk to them. If they don't let you talk to them, then move on -- you don't need them. Lingering on it will only hurt you in the end, and there are so many wonderful and worthwhile people to rp with out there. Smile

**Unnamed Mercenary** · **07-11-2014, 01:37 PM**

(07-11-2014, 01:32 PM)ExKage Wrote: I can understand why it is possible for a Conjurer to have it where their conjury would initially cause issues similar to Selphie because they learned it at home or trial by observation.

However, it seemed to imply early on in the conjurer guild quests that they would tell learners the importance of why that is so wrong, aka YOUR LIFE IS IN DANGER. That implied (to me anyway) that it's something learned or taught early. Or another conjurer will see it happening and try earnestly to say "No no no stop it. That is going to kill you very fast."

In my opinion, it's something that could be used as a plot point but not something that will persist all the time.

I mostly agree with this. CNJ friends wouldn't let other CNJ friends kill themselves, when they could show/teach conjury the "right" way. I think it'd make a great hook for character growth, but as a person that mostly stuck to CNJ/WHM in the game from 1.0 (really more 1.23) to 2.1 when I went SCH, most of the lore revolved around the borrowing aspect. The CNJ quest Selphie was definitely strange, and the other NPCs were genuinely worried she wouldn't last very long because of her..."methods".Â

Unless we're talking about Edda. In that case...all is explained in Tam-Tara HM

LiadansWhisper · **07-11-2014, 01:37 PM**

(07-11-2014, 01:32 PM)ExKage Wrote: I can understand why it is possible for a Conjurer to have it where their conjury would initially cause issues similar to Selphie because they learned it at home or trial by observation.

Well, there are a number of reasons why Selphie's case was unusual and extraordinary (and not supposed to happen), but yes, anything is possible.

Quote:However, it seemed to imply early on in the conjurer guild quests (UNLESS YOUR TEACHER IS E-SUMI YAN) that they would tell learners the importance of why that is so wrong, aka YOUR LIFE IS IN DANGER. That implied (to me anyway) that it's something learned or taught early. Or another conjurer will see it happening and try earnestly to say "No no no stop it (UNLESS THEY WERE E-SUMI YAN). That is going to kill you very fast."

I uh...edited that a bit. Â I have a lot of "wtf" towards the Conjurer's guild leader because of that question. Â You would think, but apparently, no...he was waiting for you to tell her. Â o_O

Quote:In my opinion, it's something that could be used as a plot point but not something that will persist all the time.

Well, yeah. Â I can't imagine someone's friends being willing to put up with that for very long. Â Even total strangers, honestly, if they figured out what was going on. Â And that's assuming you didn't kill yourself trying too hard.

FreelanceWizard · **07-11-2014, 01:39 PM**

*forehead smack, puts on Magic Admin Hat*

Please keep the discussion to the topic of the thread and not about the tone of posts or whether lore is good or not. This thread is getting dangerously close to being locked. Cry

Kage · **07-11-2014, 01:40 PM**

(07-11-2014, 01:35 PM)Zhavi Wrote: If you truly feel someone is attacking you or being unfair, talk to them. Â If they don't let you talk to them, then move on -- you don't need them. Â Lingering on it will only hurt you in the end, and there are so many wonderful and worthwhile people to rp with out there. Â

QFT. God I love your posts so much.

In terms of trying to find RP are you actually talking about attempting some world RP after 2.3 dropped? I don't know what you mean about feeling like some people would rather avoid you but there's -loads- of new content that people want to tackle. New dungeons. New gameplay. New -things-. Are you sure that they just want to do a lot of the new stuff first before going back to RPing? I mean I don't know how you started to approach people or how others acted towards you but there can be loads of things.

Not everyone who RPs on Gilgamesh or Balmung or -insert server here- are on RPC. And for certain, not everyone on Gilgamesh or Balmung, though people consider them RP servers, RP either. Perhaps you've just been approaching non-RPers?

Naunet · **07-11-2014, 01:42 PM**

(07-11-2014, 01:32 PM)ExKage Wrote: In my opinion, it's something that could be used as a plot point but not something that will persist all the time.

I think this would be a good way to approach it, too. Even after they learn to manipulate aether properly, the character could have permanently damaged themselves in such a way that would satisfy the OP's want to have a character who is outwardly weak and ill-seeming. It's all in how you play it. ^^

LiadansWhisper · **07-11-2014, 01:42 PM**

(07-11-2014, 01:40 PM)ExKage Wrote:
(07-11-2014, 01:35 PM)Zhavi Wrote: If you truly feel someone is attacking you or being unfair, talk to them. Â If they don't let you talk to them, then move on -- you don't need them. Â Lingering on it will only hurt you in the end, and there are so many wonderful and worthwhile people to rp with out there. Â
QFT. God I love your posts so much.

In terms of trying to find RP are you actually talking about attempting some world RP after 2.3 dropped? I don't know what you mean about feeling like some people would rather avoid you but there's -loads- of new content that people want to tackle. New dungeons. New gameplay. New -things-. Are you sure that they just want to do a lot of the new stuff first before going back to RPing? I mean I don't know how you started to approach people or how others acted towards you but there can be loads of things.

Not everyone who RPs on Gilgamesh or Balmung or -insert server here- are on RPC. And for certain, not everyone on Gilgamesh or Balmung, though people consider them RP servers, RP either. Perhaps you've just been approaching non-RPers?

Truth be told, anyone who is avoiding her in-game over a forum post probably isn't someone she wants to RP with in the first place. Â But I agree that whatever is going on likely has nothing to do with the post here.

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