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10-15-2013, 07:30 PM
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Removing as I have been educated! I believe much of my theory is too far evolved from where the timeline is now. Given a few decades things could turn towards this. This is why I enjoy RP communities!


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I am simply new to this game and this world and in trying to find and flesh out my female Keeper I found the lack of substantial 'history' on the race frustrating. As such I started pulling everything I could find together, from wiki pages and quest data to interviews and fan pages in order to solidify the world I was stepping into.


I've seen others, even on these forums, with my frustration so I thought. "What if someone put together a "compendium" of lore and player insight to help us get a greater picture of our race?" 
This is what I've come up with. It's just a start.. and very green and I'm sure flat our wrong in some places. I'm unsure on time lines and  don't even know how long Miqo'tes or any others have been around Eorzea. Hell, I'm not sure when the calamity happened (five years? ten?)


I'm getting distracted... Anyway!


I wanted to know what your thoughts were on this. This community is full of great players and wonderfully inventive story tellers, what do you think?


I did set out with the intent to NOT go against anything that has been written as lore by Square and instead just wished to flesh out the 'what else is there' bits in regards to their sociology. 


I wanted to make them different enough from the Seekers to give them more of an identity than just 'matriarchal'. 


This is not the 'end all be all'. This is just a glimpse as to ONE way the race lives. I'm sure not all Keepers will follow this guideline. Evolution and ambition go a long way to change things. Just as many Seekers break from tribes, so may Keepers break from 'tradition'...


My hope is that we can build on this together. I have one in the works for Seekers, but as I don't play them I'm not as motivated -currently-.




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Race: Miqo’te
 
Ancestral History: During the Age of Endless Frost, as the seas turned toice and passage over them became possible, Eorzea saw an influx of foreign fauna to her shores. This in turn brought the hunting tribes which subsisted upon them, the modern descendants of whom are today known as the Miqo'te.
As time  Miqo'te have diverged sharply into two physically and socially distinguishable groups — the diurnal Seekers of the Sun and the nocturnal Keepers of the Moon.
 
Race Culture:Keepersof the Moon
Traditionally, the Keepers of the Moon are nocturnal. Shying from the garish light of day, they revel in the shroud of night, and offer their piety to Menphina the Lover, goddess of the moon.  Keepers of the Moon also have a custom of applying war paint to their faces, as it is believed the vivid colors grant lunar powers. While still traditionally practiced, this ritual is often saved for hunting parties and festival gatherings.


Physiology:
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They are distinguishable from their diurnal counterparts by their darker hued or “flushed out” fur, ears that are slightly longer and thinner with short hair, rounder eyes, more pronounced canines, longer, skinnier tails, and have long canines that are clearly visible.
 
They, like their diurnal counterparts, retain a superb sense of smell and powerful leg muscles are the results of a long evolution geared towards hunting and predation.
 
With the integration into the land of Eorzea,physiological differences within the two subsets of the Miqo’te race can be quite subtle and varying. It can be quite difficult for most non-miqo’te (and even many miqo’te!) to differentiate upon first meeting one another.



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SpoilerComparatively few in number when compared to the other races inhabiting Eorzea, many Miqo’te maintain an insular intolerance toward other races, some even holding strong prejudices against the other subset culture (Keepers/Seekers) within their clans. While the Seekers of the Sun have retained much of their tribal and traditionally patriarchal heritage, many of the Keepers have evolved into a matriarchal society favoring status and integration into their new home land.
 

Traditionally, Keepers have set up in small bands of families often referred to as communes. These communes seldom hold more than a few families, though some communities have been known to grow into small village or city like structures. The matriarchal influence is apparent in the naming conventions and political structures observed within the communes. While Seekers tend to seclude themselves away from the outside world and largely even many other tribes, Keepers are fundamentally active in diversifying and inter-mingling their communes to ensure strong bloodlines and allied territories through arranged mating and coupling between ranking social families. This is theorized to be in large part because of the number of Keeper daughters born. However, since the integration into Eorzea, Keepers that have left their communes tend to lead isolated lifestyles, even when living in the more populous cities.

Politics and Social Hierarchy:
Unlike the Seekers of the Sun, the Keepers of the Moon is a highly matriarchal society, with family names passed down from the mother, not the father. It is said that some of these surnames have survived since the First Astral Era.
Smaller communes are often lead by a ranking family’s matriarch. It’s unknown what system of electoral process is used to decide this selection, but it’s inferred that power is bought through means and goods. Larger communes often have a council of matriarchs with some mates in positions of advisers and community figure-heads.
                       
            Social status is highly regarded in these communities, often times limiting mating opportunities for the lowliest of male and female keepers alike. Status seems to be achieved through breeding, ancestry and wealth. Each member within the community is expected to hold a skill-set vital to the success of the commune. While difficult, the climb can and has been made from the bottom of the social ranking toward the top and into a house of influence. Despite the discrepancy in hierarchy and permissions found with rank, no member of the community is ever left wanting. Care is taken to ensure that the needs of all members are met regardless of clout.
 
Mating and Sexuality:
Keepers of the Moon tend to pair monogamously; coupling with the intent for offspring. While Seekers mate primarily to bear strong young, affection and compatibility seem to hold some semblance of value for the Keepers.
Sexuality among the Keepers is often used as a token of power, with control lying in the hands of the females of the culture. Status holding females are empowered and taught from a young age their role and the power that they hold with it. Females from high ranking social families are often debuted as they reach an age of maturity. They are offered a choice of many, mostly, first born males from families of similar affluence and are expected to couple and mate. Pacts are often brokered to tie communes together in much the same fashion. While all the matriarchs of the families have much influence in the decision making process, the debutante female and her line of matriarchs has the final word in the matter, conclusively.
Males of both Seekers and Keepers are ultimately used as breeders. However the stigma and connotation between the two are highly polarized. Male Keepers work diligently to increase their popularity and vie for the affections of, sometimes many, female Keepers in order to procure a strong and influential line of offspring. While they hold little choice in the matter in the end, the effort they put into the debutante “courting stage” does give them some semblance of sway.
Males and females of lower class families will often find more freedom in their choices of mates. They’re status not being at stake allows them to place more of an emphasis on choice and even affection. It is unlikely, however, that a high-class female would ever be paired with a low-class male and even more unlikely if that were reversed. It is looked at as disgraceful for a high-class female to lower herself in such a way.
 
While largely heterosexual, it is interesting to note that homosexuality is not uncommon. In fact, female homosexuality is more commonly seen given the options. This is theorized to be, largely, due to the number of female to male offspring born.
 
Military:
Traditionally females and males both find their place in positions of defense. After proving themselves able-bodied fighters, many females’ statuses are raised, gaining them a place outside of battle and into positions of strategic political power. Males do often serve on a council of advisers, though their primary place in the military is found on the fields of battle as warriors and hunters to earn favor with the women they serve so as to gain footing on the political ladder for favored breeding.

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Some of the things in the Sociology part I didn't know about, very interesting. Smile
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I'm curious...why communes?  Is that a word from the wiki that I missed, or something you came up with?  If the latter, why that word?  I dunno why, but it bugs me.  xD

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(10-15-2013, 08:27 PM)Nimarhie Wrote: Some of the things in the Sociology part I didn't know about, very interesting. Smile

Much, if not most of the sociology portion is just stuff I've pulled from thin air in an effort to build up a sense of self for the culture.

(10-15-2013, 08:35 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: I'm curious...why communes?  Is that a word from the wiki that I missed, or something you came up with?  If the latter, why that word?  I dunno why, but it bugs me.  xD

Communes is just something I came up with. A play on community which is used in the wiki. 

I thought it fit the bill for tribe, but not a tribe.. community.. but a closed one?  Haha

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(10-15-2013, 08:49 PM)ShayRei Wrote:
(10-15-2013, 08:35 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: I'm curious...why communes?  Is that a word from the wiki that I missed, or something you came up with?  If the latter, why that word?  I dunno why, but it bugs me.  xD

Communes is just something I came up with. A play on community which is used in the wiki. 

I thought it fit the bill for tribe, but not a tribe.. community.. but a closed one?  Haha

Well, uh, because Communes is normally associated with Communism, and your society doesn't fit that at all, it was just confusing is all!

Thanks for the clarification!

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(10-15-2013, 09:07 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:
(10-15-2013, 08:49 PM)ShayRei Wrote:
(10-15-2013, 08:35 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: I'm curious...why communes?  Is that a word from the wiki that I missed, or something you came up with?  If the latter, why that word?  I dunno why, but it bugs me.  xD

Communes is just something I came up with. A play on community which is used in the wiki. 

I thought it fit the bill for tribe, but not a tribe.. community.. but a closed one?  Haha

Well, uh, because Communes is normally associated with Communism, and your society doesn't fit that at all, it was just confusing is all!

Thanks for the clarification!

Interesting.. I've never associated communes with communism... Mostly hippies and naked people. >.>

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I like the ideas and creativity you have going here, and I was thinking we might have to have a player-made Keeper compendium sooner or later if SE didn't provide more lore. 

I do question a few points however. As brought up in this thread, we don't have a whole lot of real life matriarchal societies to draw upon when imagining the Keepers, but there are a few. I was personally quite taken with the idea that, like the Mosuo, Miqote might take mating/coupling/relationships in a far less formal tone than you have suggested here.

It makes sense to me that a society that highly values physicality in the form of hunting and sport, would put less emphasis on social status or class through other means. I personally see them as gaining status almost entirely through prowess in battle, while some reverence is based bloodlines. I personally don't see "class" playing a part much at all.

Quote:Each member within the community is expected to hold a skill-set vital to the success of the commune. While difficult, the climb can and has been made from the bottom of the social ranking toward the top and into a house of influence. 
I don't really think Keepers should veer into the area of family houses personally. I like the idea of small tribes better.

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(10-15-2013, 09:24 PM)Nako Vesh Wrote: I like the ideas and creativity you have going here, and I was thinking we might have to have a player-made Keeper compendium sooner or later if SE didn't provide more lore. 

I do question a few points however. As brought up in this thread, we don't have a whole lot of real life matriarchal societies to draw upon when imagining the Keepers, but there are a few. I was personally quite taken with the idea that, like the Mosuo, Miqote might take mating/coupling/relationships in a far less formal tone than you have suggested here.

It makes sense to me that a society that highly values physicality in the form of hunting and sport, would put less emphasis on social status or class through other means. I personally see them as gaining status almost entirely through prowess in battle, while some reverence is based bloodlines. I personally don't see "class" playing a part much at all.

Quote:Each member within the community is expected to hold a skill-set vital to the success of the commune. While difficult, the climb can and has been made from the bottom of the social ranking toward the top and into a house of influence. 
I don't really think Keepers should veer into the area of family houses personally. I like the idea of small tribes better.

I thought they would be called small tribes made of 1-3 families.

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Keepers do not pair up monogamously. They have breeding males ala the Seekers of the Sun. Unfortunately we have no details beyond that.

From a level 25 Quarry Mill levequest that states explicitly that Keepers have breeding males as well (I forget the name at the moment)

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Secondly, this topic needs a disclaimer that a lot of this is your invention, isn't canon, and relies on a large number of assumptions. We don't get to decide the lore or the direction that Keepers should take, SE does. Unfortunately SE only gave us scraps and scarce details that begged even more questions. In the case of Keepers, all we ever got regarding sexuality and mating was the description that they are matriarchal and that males are rare. Few conclusions can be drawn from so little canon info, Keepers being monogamous isn't one of them.

Consider this, Miqo'te males are born very rarely (there is ONE that we get to see in game), if they paired monogamously with females there wouldn't be enough males to pair with, and as a result the Keepers would have passed into obscurity long ago.

This topic has been poked at to death many times in the past, my favorite post on the subject can be found hereSadhttp://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthread.php?tid=2961). I'm not saying you have to accept it, but it does make reasonable conclusions regarding what a fantastical culture with these features would be like.
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(10-15-2013, 09:24 PM)Nako Vesh Wrote: I like the ideas and creativity you have going here, and I was thinking we might have to have a player-made Keeper compendium sooner or later if SE didn't provide more lore. 

I do question a few points however. As brought up in this thread, we don't have a whole lot of real life matriarchal societies to draw upon when imagining the Keepers, but there are a few. I was personally quite taken with the idea that, like the Mosuo, Miqote might take mating/coupling/relationships in a far less formal tone than you have suggested here.

It makes sense to me that a society that highly values physicality in the form of hunting and sport, would put less emphasis on social status or class through other means. I personally see them as gaining status almost entirely through prowess in battle, while some reverence is based bloodlines. I personally don't see "class" playing a part much at all.

Quote:Each member within the community is expected to hold a skill-set vital to the success of the commune. While difficult, the climb can and has been made from the bottom of the social ranking toward the top and into a house of influence. 
I don't really think Keepers should veer into the area of family houses personally. I like the idea of small tribes better.


I hadn't seen that thread! I'll have to read into it, now! 

I think my goal with the quite different shift in cultural ways was to be just that, different. I mean they diverged for a reason, right? So while seekers are tribal and 'primitive' for lack of a better term since my brain is in sleepy time mode right now, Keepers have stepped beyond that towards a world of industry and trade (something I think, from examples of the U tribe in game, that some Seekers struggle with). 

With that would come a shift in value that's placed on physicality and battle prowess(seekers) and lean it in toward wealth and status. 

This of course is a generalization by any definition. Some Keepers may very well be more similar to Seekers still with the only difference being the shift in Nuhn/male roles. 

I thought there would be /should be some shift in the relationships as well. While the seekers tend to be polyamorous, I understand the Keepers to lean more toward to monogamy. The structure of the higher class's "courtship" seemed to fit with a matriarchy as well as still cling to some sort of tribal ancestry.  Freedom would be found in the majority of the population within the normal/lower castes. 

As to the house phrasing, I think I just worded it incorrectly. I didn't mean they had literal houses.. although it does fit with my structure, I suppose. There, though, I merely meant they would gain affluence. 

All very thought worthy points though, thank you!!


Quote:This topic has been poked at to death many times in the past, my favorite post on the subject can be found hereSadhttp://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthread.php?tid=2961). I'm not saying you have to accept it, but it does make reasonable conclusions regarding what a fantastical culture with these features would be like.
Thank you for this! I will be removing my post as I believe my largely under formed idea of the timeline is problematic. My ideas require far too much time to have passed to allow such evolution of the race's cultures.

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(10-15-2013, 10:28 PM)ShayRei Wrote: Keepers have stepped beyond that towards a world of industry and trade (something I think, from examples of the U tribe in game, that some Seekers struggle with). ..

...With that would come a shift in value that's placed on physicality and battle prowess(seekers) and lean it in toward wealth and status... 

...I understand the Keepers to lean more toward to monogamy. The structure of the higher class's "courtship" seemed to fit with a matriarchy as well as still cling to some sort of tribal ancestry.  Freedom would be found in the majority of the population within the normal/lower castes... 

...As to the house phrasing, I think I just worded it incorrectly. I didn't mean they had literal houses.. although it does fit with my structure, I suppose. There, though, I merely meant they would gain affluence.

Some of this makes for some nteresting places that Keeper culture could go as a whole in light of the calamity, but it has absolutely no basis in lore whatsoever. I know it's frustrating that we don't details on such an atypical culture that many RPers are keen on being a part of, but that doesn't give us the right to just make it up and form a "player made compendium".
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I think part of the trouble we might be having is that we are trying to stuff cat-people into a human cultural view. Among humans its considered bad for people to be promiscuous, at least in most cultures. Cats however do not share that view point. They go into heat and they go off and find a likely bed-buddy for a few minutes to half an hour.

Its more likely that both tribes are promiscuous, especially as Allgivenover noted, males are rare among the Moonkitties. They wouldn't pair up monogamously at all. I am sure there are exceptions, like in very tiny families where the head female lays claim to a particular male. Larger extended families would have a pool of males and the females would take one as the need or fancy arises. The males on the other hand would be trying to make themselves look better than the other males in the lot to get their genes passed on (just like in every other species - except maybe fish, dunno about them).

I kinda liked the OP's sociology write up, but I have to agree that it doesnt really fit. It might fit with the Sunkitties though.

As for or not making up stuff to fill in the gaps, that's a debate from another thread that was beat to death and got no where. Some people are alright with fannon, others think it's the road to hell lined with dubious good intentions. It's just a topic where both parties have to agree to disagree. Especially since the naysayers are not being forced to abide by said fannon.

ANYWAY... I'd be more inclined to pass on this idea that Moonkitties are puritan with their sexuality - and while I've said before that I haven't seen any moonkeeper prostitutes like I have Sunseekers, really its hard to tell one from the other sometimes.

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(10-15-2013, 10:42 PM)allgivenover Wrote:
(10-15-2013, 10:28 PM)ShayRei Wrote: Keepers have stepped beyond that towards a world of industry and trade (something I think, from examples of the U tribe in game, that some Seekers struggle with). ..

...With that would come a shift in value that's placed on physicality and battle prowess(seekers) and lean it in toward wealth and status... 

...I understand the Keepers to lean more toward to monogamy. The structure of the higher class's "courtship" seemed to fit with a matriarchy as well as still cling to some sort of tribal ancestry.  Freedom would be found in the majority of the population within the normal/lower castes... 

...As to the house phrasing, I think I just worded it incorrectly. I didn't mean they had literal houses.. although it does fit with my structure, I suppose. There, though, I merely meant they would gain affluence.

Some of this makes for some nteresting places that Keeper culture could go as a whole in light of the calamity, but it has absolutely no basis in lore whatsoever. I know it's frustrating that we don't details on such an atypical culture that many RPers are keen on being a part of, but that doesn't give us the right to just make it up and form a "player made compendium".
Nope, you're very correct, and I did say that the sociological aspects were the made up bits.  Not saying mine is the basis that everyone would RP  with by -any- means... I just like to see where and how others have filled in their own bits to flesh out their idea of the culture.

As far as I'm concerned we can all continue to play as we will, we'll eventually find a group that RPs as we do and we'll all continue to /eye the ones we find strange. Hah
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10-15-2013, 11:08 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-15-2013, 11:09 PM by Fates Skein.)
There's nothing wrong with throwing out some ideas about how Keepers might work!  I, personally, -love- to speculate and draw from RL influences (both human and feline/canine) in order to fill in the massive gaps of lore that exist in game for the miqo'te.  Of -course- it's just speculation and no one is saying that every Keeper/Seeker must adhere to these ideas, it's just a fun mental exercise that doesn't hurt anybody but may get people to thinking about things that they never considered for backstory.

ShayRei, rock on with this and I really don't think you need to strike it out!  Big Grin  Mentioned before or not, it's always good to read other people's takes on things.

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RE: My take on the anthropology of the Keepers of the Moon |
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10-16-2013, 12:28 PM
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(10-15-2013, 10:16 PM)allgivenover Wrote: Keepers do not pair up monogamously. They have breeding males ala the Seekers of the Sun. Unfortunately we have no details beyond that.

From a level 25 Quarry Mill levequest that states explicitly that Keepers have breeding males as well (I forget the name at the moment)

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Or its a way of saying age. "3 young women and 1 adult male" just that Keepers consider sexual activity to be a part of adult quality. This does not mean they use the Seeker method and could easily hold more closely to monogomous relationships.


Secondly, this topic needs a disclaimer that a lot of this is your invention, isn't canon, and relies on a large number of assumptions. We don't get to decide the lore or the direction that Keepers should take, SE does. Unfortunately SE only gave us scraps and scarce details that begged even more questions. In the case of Keepers, all we ever got regarding sexuality and mating was the description that they are matriarchal and that males are rare. Few conclusions can be drawn from so little canon info, Keepers being monogamous isn't one of them.

Consider this, Miqo'te males are born very rarely (there is ONE that we get to see in game), if they paired monogamously with females there wouldn't be enough males to pair with, and as a result the Keepers would have passed into obscurity long ago.



I can think of 5 npc males found in game off the top of my head. If we compare the number seen in the U tribe(not Keepers I know) We see 3 Males but we also don't see a large group of females, in fact I don't think we even see ten there. So even among the Sun Seekers there is not as much of a huge gap and keepers are explicitly stated to only slightly favor more females.

(10-15-2013, 10:54 PM)Nimarhie Wrote: I think part of the trouble we might be having is that we are trying to stuff cat-people into a human cultural view. Among humans its considered bad for people to be promiscuous, at least in most cultures. Cats however do not share that view point. They go into heat and they go off and find a likely bed-buddy for a few minutes to half an hour.


Compare the sexual activities and mores of Bonobos(humanity's closest relatives) and humans. I don't think one can make an argument about the way animals work and the way a sapient race would end up.
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