(08-13-2013, 11:52 AM)gitm Wrote: I'm thinking of making my Keeper an orphan who was raised by Elezen parents in Gridania from a very young age, so she wouldn't be part of a family at the start.

However if there was a Keeper family being roleplayed she would like show an interest as she know little of Keeper family life.

(08-13-2013, 08:02 AM)Ghitx Wrote:

(08-12-2013, 02:53 PM)Koren Wrote: It could also be that Keepers don't really form large tribes like Seekers do.  

Lore describes them as matriarchal families, and, their groups are usually two families, sometimes three at the largest.  So, it's... less necessary of a social structure to go out and seek out other Keeper players for that cultural feel.  Hence, fewer posts about people seeking out those ties.

Seekers are Lions.  We're more... the cats that sit up on your bookshelf and will tell you when you are graced to pay us attention

My character is a Keeper of the Moon but her family was very, very mobile as they were oft on anthropological research studies.  If you don't mind a character tie that requires constant travel I can help.

 Well I know that they don't form big tribes but still, most of them live in groups of families, at least 3 or 4 families( from my perspective, and I see some good people replying to the post ( much appreciated)  having the idea of being a lone family, or coming from one, which is good and awesome, but I have not seen a group of Miqo'te ( of the Keepers) that want to group up  as a small group of families.... I don't know if I'm making myself clear.  oo and haha do you mean that we are that type of cat or are you still talking about the seekers "Seekers are Lions.  We're more... the cats that sit up on your bookshelf and will tell you when you are graced to pay us attention"

(08-14-2013, 10:44 AM)Jomoru Wrote: I'd say that Keepers probably have surprisingly large groups, these are after all probably extended families, and Keepers can breed big I mean they have rules for 10 sons and are explicitly prone to having more daughters than sons. It may not be particularly common but it happened enough to have rules for it.

(08-14-2013, 04:19 PM)Roda Wrote:

(08-14-2013, 10:44 AM)Jomoru Wrote: I'd say that Keepers probably have surprisingly large groups, these are after all probably extended families, and Keepers can breed big I mean they have rules for 10 sons and are explicitly prone to having more daughters than sons. It may not be particularly common but it happened enough to have rules for it.

I was under the impression that the 10th son thing was a result of their number system, not really because they made that many suffixes just in case they had 10 sons. o.o
(Seems a lot more effective to name someone suzy'ten than suzy'blah, so when you eventually have suzy'eleven, you're not scrambling for what word to make up for that kid)

(08-12-2013, 02:53 PM)Koren Wrote: It could also be that Keepers don't really form large tribes like Seekers do.  

Lore describes them as matriarchal families, and, their groups are usually two families, sometimes three at the largest.  So, it's... less necessary of a social structure to go out and seek out other Keeper players for that cultural feel.  Hence, fewer posts about people seeking out those ties.

Seekers are Lions.  We're more... the cats that sit up on your bookshelf and will tell you when you are graced to pay us attention

My character is a Keeper of the Moon but her family was very, very mobile as they were oft on anthropological research studies.  If you don't mind a character tie that requires constant travel I can help.

(08-14-2013, 05:20 PM)Jomoru Wrote:

(08-14-2013, 04:19 PM)Roda Wrote:

(08-14-2013, 10:44 AM)Jomoru Wrote: I'd say that Keepers probably have surprisingly large groups, these are after all probably extended families, and Keepers can breed big I mean they have rules for 10 sons and are explicitly prone to having more daughters than sons. It may not be particularly common but it happened enough to have rules for it.

I was under the impression that the 10th son thing was a result of their number system, not really because they made that many suffixes just in case they had 10 sons. o.o
(Seems a lot more effective to name someone suzy'ten than suzy'blah, so when you eventually have suzy'eleven, you're not scrambling for what word to make up for that kid)

If they are normally hitting 1 or 2 kids I would imagine the thing would top out at 5, I mean that would require having at minimum 11 kids. 10 Sons requires at minimum having 21 children. I've been thinking conservatively Keepers have 5 children that can give you around 400 or so per family if you go out to second cousins, so Keeper Enclaves might have something like 1000+

I imagine the excessive females would have an interesting trend in society, perhaps even luring away excess Tia Seeker

(08-15-2013, 10:45 PM)Ghitx Wrote:

(08-12-2013, 02:53 PM)Koren Wrote: It could also be that Keepers don't really form large tribes like Seekers do.  

Lore describes them as matriarchal families, and, their groups are usually two families, sometimes three at the largest.  So, it's... less necessary of a social structure to go out and seek out other Keeper players for that cultural feel.  Hence, fewer posts about people seeking out those ties.

Seekers are Lions.  We're more... the cats that sit up on your bookshelf and will tell you when you are graced to pay us attention

My character is a Keeper of the Moon but her family was very, very mobile as they were oft on anthropological research studies.  If you don't mind a character tie that requires constant travel I can help.

(08-14-2013, 05:20 PM)Jomoru Wrote:

(08-14-2013, 04:19 PM)Roda Wrote:

(08-14-2013, 10:44 AM)Jomoru Wrote: I'd say that Keepers probably have surprisingly large groups, these are after all probably extended families, and Keepers can breed big I mean they have rules for 10 sons and are explicitly prone to having more daughters than sons. It may not be particularly common but it happened enough to have rules for it.

I was under the impression that the 10th son thing was a result of their number system, not really because they made that many suffixes just in case they had 10 sons. o.o
(Seems a lot more effective to name someone suzy'ten than suzy'blah, so when you eventually have suzy'eleven, you're not scrambling for what word to make up for that kid)

If they are normally hitting 1 or 2 kids I would imagine the thing would top out at 5, I mean that would require having at minimum 11 kids. 10 Sons requires at minimum having 21 children. I've been thinking conservatively Keepers have 5 children that can give you around 400 or so per family if you go out to second cousins, so Keeper Enclaves might have something like 1000+

I imagine the excessive females would have an interesting trend in society, perhaps even luring away excess Tia Seeker

I Honestly think that  "Due to nature" they would have only 2 or 4 males and the rest would be females. IMO.  so if we have a small tribe or group of families,  lets say 4 families, with a total of 24 kids, I believe that  1/4 of that would be males and like you said "excessive females would have an interesting trend in society, perhaps even luring away excess Tia Seeker"  I think that would be true depending on the tribe, and  would a Tia seeker accept the rule of a female if he decides to stay within the families. or it would be  a simple  one night stand ( knockup "the movie" edition) and goodbye?

(08-15-2013, 11:30 PM)Jomoru Wrote:

(08-15-2013, 10:45 PM)Ghitx Wrote:

(08-12-2013, 02:53 PM)Koren Wrote: It could also be that Keepers don't really form large tribes like Seekers do.  

Lore describes them as matriarchal families, and, their groups are usually two families, sometimes three at the largest.  So, it's... less necessary of a social structure to go out and seek out other Keeper players for that cultural feel.  Hence, fewer posts about people seeking out those ties.

Seekers are Lions.  We're more... the cats that sit up on your bookshelf and will tell you when you are graced to pay us attention

My character is a Keeper of the Moon but her family was very, very mobile as they were oft on anthropological research studies.  If you don't mind a character tie that requires constant travel I can help.

(08-14-2013, 05:20 PM)Jomoru Wrote:

(08-14-2013, 04:19 PM)Roda Wrote:

(08-14-2013, 10:44 AM)Jomoru Wrote: I'd say that Keepers probably have surprisingly large groups, these are after all probably extended families, and Keepers can breed big I mean they have rules for 10 sons and are explicitly prone to having more daughters than sons. It may not be particularly common but it happened enough to have rules for it.

I was under the impression that the 10th son thing was a result of their number system, not really because they made that many suffixes just in case they had 10 sons. o.o
(Seems a lot more effective to name someone suzy'ten than suzy'blah, so when you eventually have suzy'eleven, you're not scrambling for what word to make up for that kid)

If they are normally hitting 1 or 2 kids I would imagine the thing would top out at 5, I mean that would require having at minimum 11 kids. 10 Sons requires at minimum having 21 children. I've been thinking conservatively Keepers have 5 children that can give you around 400 or so per family if you go out to second cousins, so Keeper Enclaves might have something like 1000+

I imagine the excessive females would have an interesting trend in society, perhaps even luring away excess Tia Seeker

I Honestly think that  "Due to nature" they would have only 2 or 4 males and the rest would be females. IMO.  so if we have a small tribe or group of families,  lets say 4 families, with a total of 24 kids, I believe that  1/4 of that would be males and like you said "excessive females would have an interesting trend in society, perhaps even luring away excess Tia Seeker"  I think that would be true depending on the tribe, and  would a Tia seeker accept the rule of a female if he decides to stay within the families. or it would be  a simple  one night stand ( knockup "the movie" edition) and goodbye?

It would depend on how extended the family is, I don't imagine its something as simple as nuclear families(mother, father, children) But more extended groupings, allow for signifcantly larger enclaves without becoming full villages or towns.


As for the Tia thing, how actually successful the excess Keeper females are wouldn't matter when they get a reputation for such(They also might get reputations for stealing other races men as well)

Quote:Though there are ten suffixes listed above, rarely do even the largest Keeper of the Moon families have more than two or three sons. This is not by choice. Nature merely sees to it that more females are born to this race.

(08-12-2013, 02:19 PM)Ghitx Wrote: Mi reaction when I saw a reply, and when I read it haha  but stay
 around maybe  This post will unite  some keepers  after all we live in small groups hehe

(08-12-2013, 02:28 PM)Naunet Wrote: I do have a Keeper, but with helping to run an LS, an FC, and being a driving force behind the organization of the Hipparion tribe... well, I'll keep an eye on this thread and consider tossing Sah'ot in for a very loose connection (her story would likely make it so she's not in much contact with any family group).

(10-14-2013, 11:01 PM)K Wrote: No sharing! Get your own! *hiss* *hissssssss*