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RE: [Gilgamesh] Why not Behemoth as our non-legacy server? - Saefinn - 08-06-2013

I don't mind a server move. This early on it's doable. I know people are concerned by 4Chan & Reddit, I wouldn't want to see it become a trollfest. But not everybody from 4Chan & Reddit are douchebags, it's possible they'll be a little more tolerant with a few idiots making fun - heck there may even be some roleplayers among them, but I think people will make fun regardless, there are just a lot of people out there who think it's weird or sad to roleplay. But I'm a genuine weird person, so people generally think me odd and those who have a problem, I tend to think "*%$ 'em" rather than change anything. I'm not going to let folks spoil my fun.

If there are people who are a problem, you can block them. However, has anybody tried speaking to the 4Chan or Reddit communities? I would like the idea of people being able to work together rather than against each other, however, I accept people can be a-holes and enjoy ruining people's fun. I accept that will be a challenge, so I wouldn't be against moving if it needed to come to it. So I am on the fence, I want to be a part of the Gilgamesh RP community, so I'll go wherever they go. Simple as that really.

I don't think it's worth fighting over it for. If we do, 4Chan/Reddit will be the least of our problems here. Smile

RE: [Gilgamesh] Why not Behemoth as our non-legacy server? - Pells - 08-06-2013

(08-05-2013, 11:06 PM)Selsix Wrote: I'm not sure exactly why a massive pop is a BAD thing. Is lag the concern? Or do the servers lock up after a certain amount of people are online?
When 1.0 launched, there were servers locked, yes. There were people who were unable to create their characters on Besaid on the very first day. The lock didn't last long, and if you got lucky, you could roll up on the second or third day. After the first week, it didn't really matter, and I didn't see any server locks that I can recall now.

RE: [Gilgamesh] Why not Behemoth as our non-legacy server? - Warscar - 08-06-2013

(08-06-2013, 12:14 PM)Xerek Wrote: Balmung/Gilgamesh mess aside, this thread did still manage to fufill it's objective.  There are enough Gilgamesh players commited to making things work there, that any move to a different non-Legacy server would do nothing more then divide an already thin Gilgamesh community.  So, looks like we're going to batton down the hatches and brace for the storm.  We're a hardy bunch, we should be fine.

Might I suggest adding this info to the first post?

All of these comments sucked. Frustrated

RE: [Gilgamesh] Why not Behemoth as our non-legacy server? - Asyria - 08-06-2013

(08-06-2013, 12:14 PM)Xerek Wrote: It's not quips.  My comment was in regards to the fact that some people think I suggested splitting Gilgamesh, which is simply not true.  The Balmung/Gilgamesh thing is now moot, as it is now forbidden in this thread.

What some people fail to see is that the simple purpose of this thread was to spark discussion between Gilgamesh players and Companies.  With the news of Reddit, 4Chan and others going Gilgamesh, I was simply curious if the community as a whole wanted to pick a different server, and I thank the posters that stayed on-topic for it.  I wasn't pushing to move, as some people think.  I apologize if my initial post somehow suggested it.  That was never my intent.

Balmung/Gilgamesh mess aside, this thread did still manage to fufill it's objective.  There are enough Gilgamesh players commited to making things work there, that any move to a different non-Legacy server would do nothing more then divide an already thin Gilgamesh community.  So, looks like we're going to batton down the hatches and brace for the storm.  We're a hardy bunch, we should be fine.

There would be a split if those who voted yes decide to go over Bahamut anyway.

But I didn't use the right words to express myself...

What I should have said is... If this kinda of angsty anti-legacy OR run-from-reddit OR oh-noes-trolls-claimed-the-server doesn't stop, I swear I'll go crazy.
(note the OR's, I'm not saying I've seen all three of those here)

Also if any of the LS of FC I pledge membership with are planning on changing server, I'm out.

But yeah all of those comments sucked.
I would add however that all those threads sucked.

RE: [Gilgamesh] Why not Behemoth as our non-legacy server? - Selsix - 08-07-2013

4chan is going to Ultros, not Gilgamesh.

RE: [Gilgamesh] Why not Behemoth as our non-legacy server? - Spiritual Machine - 08-08-2013

(08-06-2013, 12:14 PM)Xerek Wrote: It's not quips.  My comment was in regards to the fact that some people think I suggested splitting Gilgamesh, which is simply not true.  The Balmung/Gilgamesh thing is now moot, as it is now forbidden in this thread.

What some people fail to see is that the simple purpose of this thread was to spark discussion between Gilgamesh players and Companies.  With the news of Reddit, 4Chan and others going Gilgamesh, I was simply curious if the community as a whole wanted to pick a different server, and I thank the posters that stayed on-topic for it.  I wasn't pushing to move, as some people think.  I apologize if my initial post somehow suggested it.  That was never my intent.
Well...

(08-05-2013, 06:28 PM)Xerek Wrote: +Okay, I've seen the whole mess with 4chan and reddit landing on Gilgamesh.  Regardless of what you think of the communities there is an undeniable risk that the server will simply fill up and be locked, which would be disastrous for a new RP community.

Now, I've heard of people moving from Gilgamesh to Balmung as a result of all this, which to me is sad.  I'm looking forward to helping build a new RP community.  I also can't ignore the potential problems of Gilgamesh.  But I got to wondering...

...why not simply choose a different server to Gilgamesh as our unofficial RP non-legacy server?  Right now, Gilgamesh is a name.  We've nothing vested in it, and there is no reason we could not settle elsewhere instead.  We'd still have our community apart from Balmung to develop.  We'd still have, well, everything we wanted.

Now, I looked at the original poll, where Gilgamesh won handily.  The NA runner up was Behemoth.  Why don't we simply change from Gilgamesh to Behemoth?  Seem to make the most sense, and make the most people happy.  Would also solve the problems we're having with Gilgamesh atm.

Thoughts?

Note: Please vote only if you are planning to play on Gilgamesh
If you say so.

(08-06-2013, 12:14 PM)Xerek Wrote: Balmung/Gilgamesh mess aside, this thread did still manage to fufill it's objective.  There are enough Gilgamesh players commited to making things work there, that any move to a different non-Legacy server would do nothing more then divide an already thin Gilgamesh community.  So, looks like we're going to batton down the hatches and brace for the storm.  We're a hardy bunch, we should be fine.
But it still sounds like you're speaking for the whole community instead of yourself or your own guild. Frankly, I wasn't aware that the Gilgamesh community had a leader.

If it doesn't, then I think that the people who are bothered by the situation on Gilgamesh should do what will make them happy, and ignore this poll and the people speaking for them. Just go join the Behemoth community if you want.

RE: [Gilgamesh] Why not Behemoth as our non-legacy server? - Alexandr Nocturne - 08-08-2013

(08-08-2013, 11:07 AM)Spiritual Machine Wrote:
(08-06-2013, 12:14 PM)Xerek Wrote: It's not quips.  My comment was in regards to the fact that some people think I suggested splitting Gilgamesh, which is simply not true.  The Balmung/Gilgamesh thing is now moot, as it is now forbidden in this thread.

What some people fail to see is that the simple purpose of this thread was to spark discussion between Gilgamesh players and Companies.  With the news of Reddit, 4Chan and others going Gilgamesh, I was simply curious if the community as a whole wanted to pick a different server, and I thank the posters that stayed on-topic for it.  I wasn't pushing to move, as some people think.  I apologize if my initial post somehow suggested it.  That was never my intent.
Well...

(08-05-2013, 06:28 PM)Xerek Wrote: +Okay, I've seen the whole mess with 4chan and reddit landing on Gilgamesh.  Regardless of what you think of the communities there is an undeniable risk that the server will simply fill up and be locked, which would be disastrous for a new RP community.

Now, I've heard of people moving from Gilgamesh to Balmung as a result of all this, which to me is sad.  I'm looking forward to helping build a new RP community.  I also can't ignore the potential problems of Gilgamesh.  But I got to wondering...

...why not simply choose a different server to Gilgamesh as our unofficial RP non-legacy server?  Right now, Gilgamesh is a name.  We've nothing vested in it, and there is no reason we could not settle elsewhere instead.  We'd still have our community apart from Balmung to develop.  We'd still have, well, everything we wanted.

Now, I looked at the original poll, where Gilgamesh won handily.  The NA runner up was Behemoth.  Why don't we simply change from Gilgamesh to Behemoth?  Seem to make the most sense, and make the most people happy.  Would also solve the problems we're having with Gilgamesh atm.

Thoughts?

Note: Please vote only if you are planning to play on Gilgamesh
If you say so.

(08-06-2013, 12:14 PM)Xerek Wrote: Balmung/Gilgamesh mess aside, this thread did still manage to fufill it's objective.  There are enough Gilgamesh players commited to making things work there, that any move to a different non-Legacy server would do nothing more then divide an already thin Gilgamesh community.  So, looks like we're going to batton down the hatches and brace for the storm.  We're a hardy bunch, we should be fine.
But it still sounds like you're speaking for the whole community instead of yourself or your own guild. Frankly, I wasn't aware that the Gilgamesh community had a leader.

If it doesn't, then I think that the people who are bothered by the situation on Gilgamesh should do what will make them happy, and ignore this poll and the people speaking for them. Just go join the Behemoth community if you want.

We, as in the "other" or "alternate" community.  If we have a leader it sure isn't me.  I'm not sure how to reply, because I have no intent on taking the bait.  So, I'll simply summarize and hope that is enough.
 
The "other" community decided on Gilgamesh.  A big outcry came up when it was believed Reddit and 4Chan were going to land there as well.  A number of players originally planning to go to Gilgamesh instead went to Balmung not because they had a sudden change of heart, but because it was the RP server without 4Chan and Reddit.
 
So, this thread was started to propose an alternate solution.  The idea being to simply pick a different non-legacy server.  There was never an intent to divide the Gilgamesh community.  It was meant as an all-or-nothing.  Not everyone was on board, so rather then split the community it looked like we were all staying put.
 
Anyone can do anything they want.  I wasn't trying to force anything and I am out of ways to say that.  I offered a suggestion and solicited feedback.  When it looked like the suggestion was rejected I simply said that.
 
I cannot be any more blunt about what I said and what my motives were with this thread.
 
I said what I had to.  I will not be baited into more.

RE: [Gilgamesh] Why not Behemoth as our non-legacy server? - Gideon Aryeh - 08-08-2013

(08-08-2013, 12:26 PM)Xerek Wrote:
(08-08-2013, 11:07 AM)Spiritual Machine Wrote:
(08-06-2013, 12:14 PM)Xerek Wrote: It's not quips.  My comment was in regards to the fact that some people think I suggested splitting Gilgamesh, which is simply not true.  The Balmung/Gilgamesh thing is now moot, as it is now forbidden in this thread.

What some people fail to see is that the simple purpose of this thread was to spark discussion between Gilgamesh players and Companies.  With the news of Reddit, 4Chan and others going Gilgamesh, I was simply curious if the community as a whole wanted to pick a different server, and I thank the posters that stayed on-topic for it.  I wasn't pushing to move, as some people think.  I apologize if my initial post somehow suggested it.  That was never my intent.
Well...

(08-05-2013, 06:28 PM)Xerek Wrote: +Okay, I've seen the whole mess with 4chan and reddit landing on Gilgamesh.  Regardless of what you think of the communities there is an undeniable risk that the server will simply fill up and be locked, which would be disastrous for a new RP community.

Now, I've heard of people moving from Gilgamesh to Balmung as a result of all this, which to me is sad.  I'm looking forward to helping build a new RP community.  I also can't ignore the potential problems of Gilgamesh.  But I got to wondering...

...why not simply choose a different server to Gilgamesh as our unofficial RP non-legacy server?  Right now, Gilgamesh is a name.  We've nothing vested in it, and there is no reason we could not settle elsewhere instead.  We'd still have our community apart from Balmung to develop.  We'd still have, well, everything we wanted.

Now, I looked at the original poll, where Gilgamesh won handily.  The NA runner up was Behemoth.  Why don't we simply change from Gilgamesh to Behemoth?  Seem to make the most sense, and make the most people happy.  Would also solve the problems we're having with Gilgamesh atm.

Thoughts?

Note: Please vote only if you are planning to play on Gilgamesh
If you say so.

(08-06-2013, 12:14 PM)Xerek Wrote: Balmung/Gilgamesh mess aside, this thread did still manage to fufill it's objective.  There are enough Gilgamesh players commited to making things work there, that any move to a different non-Legacy server would do nothing more then divide an already thin Gilgamesh community.  So, looks like we're going to batton down the hatches and brace for the storm.  We're a hardy bunch, we should be fine.
But it still sounds like you're speaking for the whole community instead of yourself or your own guild. Frankly, I wasn't aware that the Gilgamesh community had a leader.

If it doesn't, then I think that the people who are bothered by the situation on Gilgamesh should do what will make them happy, and ignore this poll and the people speaking for them. Just go join the Behemoth community if you want.

We, as in the "other" or "alternate" community.  If we have a leader it sure isn't me.  I'm not sure how to reply, because I have no intent on taking the bait.  So, I'll simply summarize and hope that is enough.
 
The "other" community decided on Gilgamesh.  A big outcry came up when it was believed Reddit and 4Chan were going to land there as well.  A number of players originally planning to go to Gilgamesh instead went to Balmung not because they had a sudden change of heart, but because it was the RP server without 4Chan and Reddit.
 
So, this thread was started to propose an alternate solution.  The idea being to simply pick a different non-legacy server.  There was never an intent to divide the Gilgamesh community.  It was meant as an all-or-nothing.  Not everyone was on board, so rather then split the community it looked like we were all staying put.
 
Anyone can do anything they want.  I wasn't trying to force anything and I am out of ways to say that.  I offered a suggestion and solicited feedback.  When it looked like the suggestion was rejected I simply said that.
 
I cannot be any more blunt about what I said and what my motives were with this thread.
 
I said what I had to.  I will not be baited into more.
 I appreciate this thread honestly. Unfortunately with the current atmosphere of the site your good intentions resulted in something else. Lets just hope that Square will do a good job handling the situation. If any of your guys are going to be in during open beta and early access I suggest getting them in as soon as possible. Hopefully everyone going to Gilgamesh will do the same so that more can get in during actual launch.
 
I just ask don't let the actions of some here discourage you. Trust me many of us heard you and we can privately talk in pms for options if you want. Right now I've found that many are unstanchingly going to Gilgamesh. As I mentioned I have no issue going to another server but this would cause so much confusion during the last minute and feelings are already high here enough with other issues.  Unforunately that means we lose those that are not willing to deal with the possibility of those from certain sites bothering them. There is no truly easy solution. We now just have to see what happens I guess. Personally I've always looked at us mainly having to recruit our roleplayers from the server itself anyway.
 
Not that this part would change anyone's minds but a member here from 4chan has stated and linked that most of them are going to Ultros. Just wanted to reiterate that. Also know that many of the problem players have openly stated heading to other servers now after Gilgamesh being deemed an -rp- server. *shrugs*. You can check around the internet for that and the beta forums. Crops grown in harsh conditions make for the best crops.
 
We will see what happens I guess.

RE: [Gilgamesh] Why not Behemoth as our non-legacy server? - neltu - 08-08-2013

To be honest, after seeing how much trouble this is, (Gilga vs Behemoth, the chances of disaster with all these conflicting communities, bad organization) just decided to go to Balmung. Legacy people or not at least Balmung has been a solid option, and this has gotten out of hand.

I also know it's a bit late, but Behemoth does sound like a less cluttered option than Gilga.

Edit: By the way, it's currently 27 say yes move to Behemoth to 26 No's. Make your move RPC (no pun intended!).

RE: [Gilgamesh] Why not Behemoth as our non-legacy server? - Selsix - 08-08-2013

(08-08-2013, 07:49 PM)neltu Wrote: Edit: By the way, it's currently 27 say yes move to Behemoth to 26 No's. Make your move RPC (no pun intended!).

27:26 does not a unanimous vote make. A lot of them probably aren't even going to Gilgamesh.

RE: [Gilgamesh] Why not Behemoth as our non-legacy server? - Gideon Aryeh - 08-09-2013

(08-08-2013, 11:58 PM)Selsix Wrote:
(08-08-2013, 07:49 PM)neltu Wrote: Edit: By the way, it's currently 27 say yes move to Behemoth to 26 No's. Make your move RPC (no pun intended!).

27:26 does not a unanimous vote make. A lot of them probably aren't even going to Gilgamesh.
Its just not worth it to further respond to this thread Sel just keep an eye on your pm box. Xerek you also and everyone else headed to Gilgamesh as well. No need to keep the pot stirring on an already derailed thread.

Everyone will get to talk unbothered soon, promise.

Let's let this one die already. Keep an eye on your pm boxes.

RE: [Gilgamesh] Why not Behemoth as our non-legacy server? - Spiritual Machine - 08-10-2013

(08-08-2013, 12:26 PM)Xerek Wrote: I'm not sure how to reply, because I have no intent on taking the bait.  So, I'll simply summarize and hope that is enough.
I suppose the reply I was expecting was clarification on the actual purpose of the thread, from your perspective, if any. Or no reply--I wasn't looking to... hook you on something or whatever that means...

(08-08-2013, 12:26 PM)Xerek Wrote: So, this thread was started to propose an alternate solution.  The idea being to simply pick a different non-legacy server.  There was never an intent to divide the Gilgamesh community.  It was meant as an all-or-nothing.  Not everyone was on board, so rather then split the community it looked like we were all staying put.
Ah. Even though the original intent was to ask people if they'd rather go to Behemoth, you didn't actually care that much about the result, and you knew it was moot to even have a vote and expect some kind of action from it.

So the point was for you to see if at least a good percentage of Gilgamesh players might be interested in staying on Gilgamesh, so you knew whether to move your guild or not.

(08-08-2013, 12:26 PM)Xerek Wrote: I said what I had to.  I will not be baited into more.
Still don't know what that means. Or... wait. Did I get reverse-baited by asking about it? Shoot.

(08-08-2013, 11:58 PM)Selsix Wrote:
(08-08-2013, 07:49 PM)neltu Wrote: Edit: By the way, it's currently 27 say yes move to Behemoth to 26 No's. Make your move RPC (no pun intended!).

27:26 does not a unanimous vote make. A lot of them probably aren't even going to Gilgamesh.
Well if a lot of them aren't Gilgamesh then that makes the thread even more puzzling in what it hoped to accomplish. That community might still split, after all. It's not a matter of what people say and do here.

Gilgamesh didn't come to be through a unanimous vote either--I fail to see what some people are trying to prove either way. It seems like folks from Gilgamesh may be trying to convince others not to leave Gilgamesh by... telling them not to. Unless a lot of people want to. Then totally do leave.

I guess MY point in all this has always been pointing out what an odd thread this is in the first place, as all I can see it doing is inspiring more division, among Gilgamesh people and among the community at large. It's been filled with nothing but negative sentiment, all over a poll that ultimately doesn't mean or prove anything.

It's like this thread was just made to spark a fracas. Only one thing's missing...

(08-09-2013, 12:36 AM)Rock Sandbourne Wrote:
(08-08-2013, 11:58 PM)Selsix Wrote:
(08-08-2013, 07:49 PM)neltu Wrote: Edit: By the way, it's currently 27 say yes move to Behemoth to 26 No's. Make your move RPC (no pun intended!).

27:26 does not a unanimous vote make. A lot of them probably aren't even going to Gilgamesh.
Its just not worth it to further respond to this thread Sel just keep an eye on your pm box. Xerek you also and everyone else headed to Gilgamesh as well. No need to keep the pot stirring on an already derailed thread.

Everyone will get to talk unbothered soon, promise.

Let's let this one die already. Keep an eye on your pm boxes.
Yeah, that. Now that everything's been stirred up, let's just do what should have been done in the first place, and talk about the issue... but privately?

I just think it's a weird way to behave, is all.



Unrelated:
(08-08-2013, 01:06 PM)Rock Sandbourne Wrote: Crops grown in harsh conditions make for the best crops.
This is a bit misleading, and also a bit of a misconception. Plants grown in hostile conditions have a much lower rate of survival, however if there are plants that do have the strength to survive in those conditions, they may manage to breed and pass their heartier genes to their offspring.

Over a number of generations, the less robust plants die off genetically, and the genes of the heartier plants become more prevalent in the population still growing in those hostile conditions. These are not necessarily the "best crops," but they are the most well-adapted to that particular environment.

A related observation is reported here: http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/research/2011/110131SaltSodium.html

I don't know how this relates to roleplayers, but it's funny to think about.

RE: [Gilgamesh] Why not Behemoth as our non-legacy server? - Alexandr Nocturne - 08-10-2013

I explained myself already.  To summarize, Gilgamesh players begin to worry about the possibility of 4Chan and Reddit settling there.  I created this thread to see if the community, as a whole, wanted to go to Behemoth instead as a result.  Despite almost being derailed by the Balmung/Gilgamesh thing, the thread served it's purpose.  The thread and poll show that the community did not want to move to Behemoth in it's entirety.  Case closed.  As this thread should now be.

I have said what I can, how I can.  If the above does not appease you, I don't know what will.

RE: [Gilgamesh] Why not Behemoth as our non-legacy server? - Draheim - 08-11-2013

(08-05-2013, 10:22 PM)Kossori Wrote: http://forum.square-enix.com/ARR-Test/threads/94373-Experience-the-Epic-of-Gilgamesh-the-fresh-perky-new-RP-server.

Is the only real concern I have.

Good gracious are the people on the beta forums a bunch of assholes.

Just read that post. I must say, I'm rather disturbed by the feeling they are going for with that advertisement.

"Come to Gilgamesh if you want to actually matter, because you won't on Balmung."

More than a little exaggeration there, I think. Seems more like a method of scaring people away from Balmung, than actually showing what the Gilgamesh community has to offer.

Reminds me of politics.

"Vote for us, because the other guy is evil!"

RE: [Gilgamesh] Why not Behemoth as our non-legacy server? - Vee - 08-11-2013

@Draheim, last night in our Gilgamesh server meeting, we discussed ways to help promote Gilgamesh but the trouble we run into is everyone inherently thinks "Saying something good about Gilgamesh, and that it will be a different experience from Balmung, is like saying Balmung is no good." We've been over this so many times that it gets almost frustrating on my part, as someone who has friends both on Balmung and on Gilgamesh, because I want both places to be a success.

Tearing apart someones wording, when they're trying to do their best to make Gilgamesh a success while simultaneously being flamed for the words they're trying to use carefully, seems like in and of itself is just getting to the point of bullying. Is Gilgamesh supposed to just say "We're the secondary RP server. If you don't like Balmung come here." No, because a lot of us actually want to see both servers succeed, and at this point YES Gilgamesh does need more help than Balmung to get going. You can't blame anyone for trying to get the word out that there will be roleplay on Gilgamesh.

The point of promoting Gilgamesh isn't to exclude anyone, especially Balmung. You guys have the majority of the roleplayers, how can you get upset about one person posting a thread where they are ripped apart for their wording when they're trying their best not to antagonize anyone. Gilgamesh is the "new" server, saying it's not is just a lie. We all know Balmung is the old or the Primary RP server, no one has ever discounted that.

All I see lately is a bunch of bullying, picking apart anything anyone says about anything server related, especially when god forbid Gilgamesh wants to try to pick up their numbers or encourage the people who will be playing on Gilgamesh to actually roleplay with us (Reddit users included). We're being as INCLUSIVE as possible, yes you can pick apart anything anyone says on the internet, does that make it right? No.

I just want us all to get along, if you can't handle Gilgamesh trying to grow in number, are you really being a great community member? Don't we want both communities to succeed? If so, what's the problem?

This is actually the first "rant" I've had, so excuse me but I feel like a lot has been left unsaid and I feel like the general bullying and picking everything on the forums apart has just reached an all time high after we just had a meeting to address nearly all of the issues people still seem to be flinging about.

I love this community Balmung AND Gilgamesh, I love the mods, I love our members, a lot of you are actually trying to help Gilgamesh, putting your feelings aside about the community going two ways and I sincerely appreciate it.

Let's have constructive criticism from now on, and not pick on people for how they might word something. Text can lose a lot of context, so just try to remember that folks.