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Blue · **06-11-2015, 07:02 PM**

I'd agree if this was Ishgard on normal days, but we should remember why the gates are being opened. The war has gotten worse. The city is on the brink of destruction, the last barriers protecting it could fall at any time and have a bunch of dragons burn the city to ashes. To not be worried would be, on my part, a leak of OOC knowledge that the city cannot be destroyed and I cannot die because it's a game.

I don't know about your own countries, but during world wars Italy suspended all celebrations. It was considered a waste of expenses and a distraction. The nobles may celebrate, yes, but we're talking about stuff happening in their private halls, not outside in squares or in the lower streets of town.

EDIT: Besides, it's not like we don't have three other cities in which parties can be thrown at. To have a hub for more serious/tragic roleplay would be a nice change.

Shieldmaiden · **06-11-2015, 07:54 PM**

Yes, Ser Gwyn is a combatant, she's a knight, but the RP I'm interested in is distinctly non-combat. I want noble intrigue, manipulative clergy and courtly romance. The vibe I get from the Ishgardian stuff we've seen so far is that kind of classic medieval drama, where it's all shiny on the outside and utterly rotten to the core.

Virella · **06-11-2015, 10:34 PM**

Vi's being forced back to the civilian life for the time being. Of course that does not mean she will sit back if dragons would flap over her, spitting fire at everything. Once HW hits she will be forced to teach people the way of the astrologian, and still do her calculation nonsense next to that.

But for now she is not going to do a thing unless forced into combat.

Momoka · **06-12-2015, 01:43 AM**

(06-11-2015, 07:54 PM)Shieldmaiden Wrote: Yes, Ser Gwyn is a combatant, she's a knight, but the RP I'm interested in is distinctly non-combat. I want noble intrigue, manipulative clergy and courtly romance. The vibe I get from the Ishgardian stuff we've seen so far is that kind of classic medieval drama, where it's all shiny on the outside and utterly rotten to the core.

I feel thats what Ishgard is though. Playing through the MSQ you can see how messed up their whole society is, and Id think that yes, it is utterly rotten. My character is a minor noble who has an interesting outlook on her home and people, though knows much better than to speak out in public all too much.

Cato · **06-12-2015, 08:35 AM**

Ishgard's not without redeeming qualities and none of the city states have been painted in a particularly good light so far. That's what makes FFXIV much more interesting than me to other MMO's because there's no 'black and white' when it comes to nations. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if when we get a better insight into Garlemald we actually find it to be more like Archades from FFXII than the generic evil empire many paint it as being.

Aris · **06-12-2015, 09:04 AM**

I can see many more people roleplaying Ishgardian civilians once the gates open. Previously I don't think it was a very easy option to do, as there was little lore about the city and it was mostly from a military side of things. Now there will be endless opportunity - we'll see all sorts of characters emerging from Ishgard in the year to come, I expect. Tongue

Hopefully the Heavensward hype will encourage people to leap on this opportunity for a new main roleplay area. I agree, it has a different atmosphere from the other main cities so could be really interesting in roleplay in.

shotgunbadger · **06-12-2015, 09:34 AM**

Yea as of now there's not a ton of Ishgardian civvy stuff to do other than refugee and runaway stuff. I imagine when the gates open we'll see more of those come though.

Aaron · **06-12-2015, 10:22 AM**

I just want Mor Dhona to be more rp accessible.

But then again I like Mor Dhona when there's a shout chat

Nadine Marteau · **06-12-2015, 03:41 PM**

(06-12-2015, 08:35 AM)Graeham Wrote: Ishgard's not without redeeming qualities and none of the city states have been painted in a particularly good light so far. That's what makes FFXIV much more interesting than me to other MMO's because there's no 'black and white' when it comes to nations. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if when we get a better insight into Garlemald we actually find it to be more like Archades from FFXII than the generic evil empire many paint it as being.

Are you sure? Because that only seems to be true of Ishgard and Ul'dah. Limsa and Gridania seem a lot nicer than their 1.0 counterparts.

Zelmanov · **06-12-2015, 03:46 PM**

Well, Limsa may be nicer if you are alright with harboring pirates openly, Having a secret society that operates outside the law to execute justice which may be execution in general and a what is effectively a military dictatorship (Merlwyb is an Admiral, she only is in control because she has the biggest guns)

Same goes for Gridania with their blue and orange moral scale where an elemental can just decree that a sick child cannot be healed because they feel like it.

Cato · **06-12-2015, 03:52 PM**

(06-12-2015, 03:46 PM)Zelmanov Wrote: Well, Limsa may be nicer if you are alright with harboring pirates openly, Having a secret society that operates outside the law to execute justice which may be execution in general and a what is effectively a military dictatorship (Merlwyb is an Admiral, she only is in control because she has the biggest guns)

Same goes for Gridania with their blue and orange moral scale where an elemental can just decree that a sick child cannot be healed because they feel like it.

Limsa also made a pact with the Kobolds yet backed down on that and began expanding into their territory...which contributed heavily to them summoning Titan.Â

If I recall correctly Ala Mhigo actively threatened and tried to invade the neighbouring city states until it was forced to submit to the Garlean Empire. Had the Garleans not invaded Eorzea Ala Mhigo would likely have reigned supreme and conquered the other nearby city states.

TheLastCandle · **06-12-2015, 04:02 PM**

(06-12-2015, 03:46 PM)Zelmanov Wrote: Well, Limsa may be nicer if you are alright with harboring pirates openly, Having a secret society that operates outside the law to execute justice which may be execution in general and a what is effectively a military dictatorship (Merlwyb is an Admiral, she only is in control because she has the biggest guns)

Same goes for Gridania with their blue and orange moral scale where an elemental can just decree that a sick child cannot be healed because they feel like it.

You're far from the only one who jumped to that conclusion about Gridania based on.. a single throwaway line from an NPC, but I always took it to mean that the Conjurer in question attempted to use her powers (which they believe to derive from the elementals) and failed. Not that the Elementals came out and directly said "no" for some arbitrary reason. Because frankly, I am struggling to think of any other instance in which this occurs, whether via the conjurer storyline or other NPC dialogue.

No doubt, there are black spots on all of the city-states including Gridania, but I don't think this is one of them.

McBeefâ„¢ · **06-12-2015, 04:49 PM**

(06-12-2015, 04:02 PM)TheLastCandle Wrote:
(06-12-2015, 03:46 PM)Zelmanov Wrote: Well, Limsa may be nicer if you are alright with harboring pirates openly, Having a secret society that operates outside the law to execute justice which may be execution in general and a what is effectively a military dictatorship (Merlwyb is an Admiral, she only is in control because she has the biggest guns)

Same goes for Gridania with their blue and orange moral scale where an elemental can just decree that a sick child cannot be healed because they feel like it.

You're far from the only one who jumped to that conclusion about Gridania based on.. a single throwaway line from an NPC, but I always took it to mean that the Conjurer in question attempted to use her powers (which they believe to derive from the elementals) and failed. Not that the Elementals came out and directly said "no" for some arbitrary reason. Because frankly, I am struggling to think of any other instance in which this occurs, whether via the conjurer storyline or other NPC dialogue.

No doubt, there are black spots on all of the city-states including Gridania, but I don't think this is one of them.

Yep, the Elementals are more like forces of nature. They can be called upon for aid, or angered. But they don't have a vote every time someone wants to case Aero.

Mercurias · **06-12-2015, 06:53 PM**

My character, Soren, is a combat character who would very much prefer to solve the vast majority of his problems without getting involved in violence at all if he can do anything to prevent it. He prefers talking things out before taking swings, and he hates killing. More than anything, he just wants to be free.

THAT BEING SAID, there is a strong martial bent to Ishgardian society, from its founding to its centuries-long culture of warfare, so it would make a whole lot of sense for a whole lot of soldiers to come out of there. Like one of the quest NPCs in Coerthas says:

"Fall to a dragon, go to heaven.
Fall to aught else, who gives two hells?
...That's the Ishgard way."

Poll: Will you be a non combat-role Ishgardian? You do not have permission to vote in this poll.
Yes	64.29%	9	64.29%
NO! DRAGOONS FOR EVERYONE!	35.71%	5	35.71%
Total		14 vote(s)	100%

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