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Mihana · **10-19-2012, 12:15 PM**

Sienna I just want to say I really like that idea! The RPC can focus on Balmung because after all, that is pretty much what this is all about. The site Lior mentioned having could cover a wider global array, maybe some of the events going on in Balmung but would primarily direct members here. As I said who exactly cares where this information comes from as long as it's easy and convenient to find. Who knows, maybe a global site could lead to smaller RPC-type websites popping up for other servers. Initially I remember long ago Besaid was designated as the primary one with I believe something like Lindblum being the secondary server for spilling over. If ARR proves to be a success we very well may need a secondary server to hold the overflow of new RPers. Having a global one could help in that sense.

EDIT: Tiny and completely unrelated note, I can't believe I fail so often as properly spelling the name of my own LS... I either call it the Adventuring or Adventurer, sometimes Adventurers... Cry

At least the 5th time I've had to fix it tonight, either in a post, my profile, or just in making a backup copy of my journal on the Lodestone. I fail... so hard...

Aysun · **10-19-2012, 01:31 PM**

Mihana Wrote:Sienna I just want to say I really like that idea! The RPC can focus on Balmung because after all, that is pretty much what this is all about. The site Lior mentioned having could cover a wider global array, maybe some of the events going on in Balmung but would primarily direct members here. As I said who exactly cares where this information comes from as long as it's easy and convenient to find. Who knows, maybe a global site could lead to smaller RPC-type websites popping up for other servers. Initially I remember long ago Besaid was designated as the primary one with I believe something like Lindblum being the secondary server for spilling over. If ARR proves to be a success we very well may need a secondary server to hold the overflow of new RPers. Having a global one could help in that sense.

The server designation is purely to let new RPers who are joining the game know what server there are RPers on. It's easier to RP if.. you know, we're on the same server. Of course there are RP communities that have popped up elsewhere, and they have always been welcome to use this site as well (the only LS advertisement frowned upon has been for a non-RP shell on another server). Designating a server is merely an attempt to unify as many of us in one place as we can, and it's been helpful in keeping the RP community thriving. So using this as an argument for the other website seems insignificant.

The facts of the matter remain:
-No attempt was made to discuss any personal problems with Kylin before the new website was created and promoted by Soren/Lior or any of those from whom he has garnered support for his new website.
-Soren/Lior deliberately sought out support from those he observed did not associate with Kylin or expressed dislike of him, such as members of TALE who have had past personal issues with him and/or the RPC. Others contacted for support were those who are not members of the optional OOC linkpearl for RPers, Backstage, but are RPers, so may have bias against the RPC (because Backstage is promoted here for socializing and coordinating RP).
-Soren, who has been quietly "observing" for 10 months under this alias Lior after a long hiatus from the game, rather than being an active member of the RP community, has decided he knows what is best for it.
-Soren/Lior has refused to post here his (and his supporters') reasons for not speaking to Kylin prior to making his website, after numerous requests. Despite claiming he considered it, he is unable to provide actual reasons to support his claim against Kylin's administrative style (more recent than 2 years ago) other than personal bias against Kylin (claiming Kylin OOCly has an 'egotistical' agenda due to Kylin's RP-storyline and style of RP). This lack of separation between OOC/IC is disturbing and Soren's refusal to 'reiterate' things said in the Backstage pearl discussion for this public forum does little for his cause.

I won't say what's been said already here. Another website would not harm the community, but the manner in which this has been done and is being promoted, will.

Verence · **10-19-2012, 04:11 PM**

I'm of a firm mind that what will not hurt the community is another site. What will hurt the community is a contrary, divisive attitude. I see people posting as if they're somehow personally offended by this, and that is a huge, huge red flag to me. That signals to me that egos are getting involved and that this may not even be about what is best for the community, but down to what people personally want of themselves. We're going to need to be able to see a bigger picture if we're going to be able to successfully navigate the future.

But y'know something, I've said it once and I'll say it again... The RPC is not the Balmung roleplaying community, and at the moment isn't even very representative thereof. It's a sad fact, but the fact is that a lot of people simply don't like the RPC. Getting into the how and why is a bit pointless now but you know it and I know it. Anything that could draw them back into the larger community ought to be getting encouraged, not rained on. It'd be great if steps like a new site wasn't necessary to do this, but you know what? Steps like a new site seem necessary to do this. The RPC is simply too tainted to some eyes, and the attitudes displayed in this very thread isn't helping its case one bit. I know I'm certainly losing my enthusiasm for it, post by post.

I know this is a slightly different stance than I had a few months back, but to my mind I tried to issue a wake-up call, and all it resulted in was further arguing and was mostly ignored. I, regrettably, no longer have faith in the RPC's ability to be the sole bridge that everyone needs. I'm sure it will work for plenty, but for those it won't, why on earth would you begrudge them an alternative?

There should BE no sides in this, no loyalties but to RP itself. The very fact that there are any is what's hurting the community, not any number of websites devoted to it. It's the very notions, attitudes, and preconceptions we bring that draw the lines, not any arbitrary URL. The ability to get along must begin within each one of us before it translates into the game itself, and again - the RPC is not the community, nor does it speak for it because it does not fully represent it. I'd love it if it did, but it's time to face the reality that this simply is not the case. I see calls for unity, but with such a varied crowd, I don't think unity is achievable or even desirable. I'd prefer we're all simply able to coexist well enough to talk without getting hot and bothered so we can bloody well get to RPing already and stop pussyfooting all over about it.

Blade · **10-19-2012, 04:38 PM**

Quote:It'd be great if steps like a new site wasn't necessary to do this, but you know what? Steps like a new site seem necessary to do this. The RPC is simply too tainted to some eyes, and the attitudes displayed in this very thread isn't helping its case one bit. I know I'm certainly losing my enthusiasm for it, post by post.

Of the 10 people who have written comments here, I count two people who have stated that they oppose the very idea of a new website and a new community. The other 8, wait for it, actually say they don't think a new website is inherently bad or have even advocated for it. Even Warlord Kylin wished you good luck.

The negative comments that have been given here, have in fact, been how this all came about in ways that haven't come off as being very mature. That is the issue people are talking about, one which Lior and yourself seem to curiously be dodging and attempting to make this about something it is, in fact, not.

Verence · **10-19-2012, 05:00 PM**

The above post is a prime example of what I'm talking about. Making sides, drawing lines. Thank you for so ably illustrating my point. I'll go where the RP is, I don't care who does it or how. If it happens here, I'll be here. But realize attitudes like the one above are exactly what push people away.

Since I'm sure more will try to turn this into precisely the sort of partisan situation it most emphatically is not, allow me to state the following unambiguously: I've had issues with Kylin in the past, but I do no longer - he's shown an ability and willingness to adapt to the needs of this site and its community, and I can only respect that.

Lenana · **10-19-2012, 05:09 PM**

Verence Wrote:The above post is a prime example of what I'm talking about. Making sides, drawing lines. Thank you for so ably illustrating my point. I'll go where the RP is, I don't care who does it or how. If it happens here, I'll be here. But realize attitudes like the one above are exactly what push people away.

I tried to stay out of this thread, but...

Why don't you show where he chose sides? He didn't argue for one side or another. He posted his observations of what you two are doing. He didn't say whether he was for or against the site. Actually, YOUR attitude is pushing me away from the site. And I was actually interested in it at the start, until I saw the attitude of the people in it. (Taking IC stuff OOC, and your posts.)

Eva · **10-19-2012, 09:07 PM**

The OP agreed to a thread lock on the Backstage pearl, and nothing good is really coming of this thread at this point anyway.

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