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Erik Mynhier Erik Mynhier Find all posts by this user Visit this user's website Captain of the Red Wings Posts:1,587 Joined:Aug 2013 Character:Erik Mynhier Linkshell:The Red Wings Server:Balmung Reputation: 154 RE: ULDAH MSQ - If you RP in Ul'dah you should finish MSQ | #46 10-30-2014, 02:09 PM (10-30-2014, 09:49 AM)Inessa Hara Wrote: Show Content Yay, spoilersThis is just a head cannon scenario in my mind though but if he planned this out and the Sultana steps down and Teledji claims the throne or whatever, it could lead into a full-on civil war between the Syndicate/Merchant lord's and the Sultansworn/Immortal Flames and Rahubahn, as he, being the Nanamo loyalist he is, will want to create the ideal future that Nanamo sought after and lead the war against the syndicate. Just head cannon though. This is the scenario I expect actually. Not what I want mind you, but these stories and plots in this game.... every damn one of them resemble, seem to be based off of, or are damn sight ripped off of older FF games or games made by the creators of said games. I have played religiously these games since FF1 on the NES, and I'm often surprised when no one notices something then I remember I'm old now and the game being referenced is 20+ years old. Show Content SpoilerThe hint that is giving it away for me is what we saw in the last mission "Let us cling together". The few plot points we get strike me as similar to the one of the side plots from "Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together". For those who are not aware, the said game was developed by many of the developers responsible for FFT. Many consider it a side game due to its similarities in storytelling, job system, and skills. This dispite the fact it is not officially bart of the series or even a Square game. The Red Wings ~By Fire Reborn~ Signature by Rhea Zaheela See Our Official Website For More Details

Roen Roen Find all posts by this user Visit this user's website A Free Sworn Posts:1,230 Joined:Nov 2013 Character:Roen Deneith Server:Balmung Reputation: 306 Timezone:UTC-8 RE: ULDAH MSQ - If you RP in Ul'dah you should finish MSQ | #47 10-30-2014, 02:42 PM So many speculations! I am just excited/curious/anxious to see how this story will develop. Tumblr IC Journal and Inspirations Roen Deneith | Nabi Kharlu | Brynnalia Callae

Nyalie Lihzeh Nyalie Lihzeh Find all posts by this user Junior Member Posts:4 Joined:Mar 2014 Character:Nyalie Lihzeh Linkshell:Sultanswarm Server:Balmung Reputation: 1 RE: ULDAH MSQ - If you RP in Ul'dah you should finish MSQ | #48 10-30-2014, 06:13 PM Can I make my guesses? Show Content Oi como vai?My opinion! o be a republic, not need to be a democracy. I think because the game use the concept of city states, if they will make a republic this republic is not a democratic republic like we have today! This will be a Politeia, like in the Plato book The Republic, this republic were the government is a king, how negate all his possessions only to rule thinking in the great good. One of the requirements of that is the age (45) and the knowledge in history and philosophy (it is why Plate use the therm philosopher-kings). With more age and after see the reign of Calippus of Syracuse Plato, change the base of his republic not in the Knowledge but to the laws. I think re Republic that Your Grace is saying is the roman republic after 4th century BC, because in this time the plebes can join the senate. I think she will dissolute The Syndicate with the exposition of the garlean influence and change this to a elected senate and with that she will be part of this senate or will assume just a symbolic position (Like the monarchy in the present day how are parliamentary constitutional monarchy). the history of Ul'Dah remember me a little the history of the Republic of Venice: (...)In the 12th century, the aristocratic families of Rialto further diminished the Doge's powers by establishing the Minor Council (1175), composed of six advisers of the Doge Wikipedia(...) You all can understand what I say? Or I wrote very badly?

Coatleque Coatleque Find all posts by this user Damaged Goods Posts:1,822 Joined:May 2014 Character:Florence Fishbane(Crofte) Linkshell:N/A Server:Balmung Reputation: 504 Timezone:UTC-5 RE: ULDAH MSQ - If you RP in Ul'dah you should finish MSQ | #49 10-30-2014, 06:49 PM (This post was last modified: 10-30-2014, 09:17 PM by Coatleque.) Something else to consider: Show Content Spoiler The fact that Nanamo even -has- the power to 'dissolve' the Syndicate means she could take back control if she wanted to. What she is doing is just plain giving up. {edit} Nanamo is a weak ruler who would rather destroy her family's birthright instead of rising to the occasion and actually -making a bloody decision-. {edit} And now having finished the MSQ myself, I can only re-iterate what I considered above. Wiki | Directory | Sketchbook

Sounsyy Sounsyy Find all posts by this user Lore Momger Posts:1,987 Joined:Jul 2013 Character:Sounsyy Mirke Server:Balmung Reputation: 854 Timezone:UTC-5 RE: ULDAH MSQ - If you RP in Ul'dah you should finish MSQ | #50 10-31-2014, 02:43 AM (This post was last modified: 10-31-2014, 02:48 AM by Sounsyy.) So... I'mma just leave this here... And listen to all the minds go pop... Show Content Do NOT open this if you haven't completed MSQ Show Content DONT DO IT Someone has a third eye... Show Content ... Sounsyy Mirke | Razia Haiib | R'jahkob Nunh >>|Sounsyy's Lore Post Index|<<

Gaspard Gaspard Find all posts by this user Member Posts:246 Joined:Jul 2014 Character:Lucaniel Clarke Server:Balmung Reputation: 54 RE: ULDAH MSQ - If you RP in Ul'dah you should finish MSQ | #51 10-31-2014, 07:25 AM Whichever way this turns out, I'm pretty sure that, until we get our next MSQ fix come next patch, all this speculating is somewhat trivial in regards to the RP scenery. So far no clear result/action has been taken, and as such there's nothing to act upon. We know what the Sultana wants to do OOCly, but Icly's nothing changed. 'yet'. However, 'should' things change down for the general RP scope, then yeah, everyone's who's involved in some way with Ul'dahs government will have to figure out a way to adapt his story to the changes appropriately. I guess this especially rings true for the Sultansworn, but that's what happens when you attach yourself to IC NPC's role wise. There's always the probability that something will happen with those characters. Infact, it's more likely that, in progression, the main cast of the NPC's will end up doing drastic/dramatical things, because that is how stories are told in MMO's most times. Kings fall, heroes rise, etc. FFXIV wouldn't be the first to do it, and I wouldn't find it irresponsible on their behalf at all if they end up doing drastic changes to Ul'dah. Also, for the argument that they'd have to re-write the entire storylines and quest lines etc by then ;  Nope. Given the MSQ acts like a progression, It would actually make more sense to keep NPC dialogue etc etc as it is. You 'start' as a hero imbued with the echo, back at that time post calamity, and progress bit by bit in the MSQ up to the current events. You should remember that MMO's don't follow a fixed timeline principle where everyone must, at all times, be present in the very same continuity/timeline with their characters. That's a necessity for Roleplayers, but not MMO's.

Warren Castille Warren Castille Find all posts by this user The Arbiter Posts:5,367 Joined:May 2014 Character:Warren Castille Server:Balmung Reputation: 1,118 Timezone:UTC-5 RE: ULDAH MSQ - If you RP in Ul'dah you should finish MSQ | #52 10-31-2014, 07:26 AM (10-31-2014, 02:43 AM)Sounsyy Wrote: So... I'mma just leave this here... And listen to all the minds go pop... Show Content Do NOT open this if you haven't completed MSQ Show Content DONT DO IT Someone has a third eye... Show Content ... Curious if that's what you think it is. Show Content Spoiler Aymeric does say openly that she's not Ishgardian, but I don't think anyone was expecting THAT to be her potential upbringing. You weren't implying it, but I don't think she's a spy. This feels too obvious if that's the case, especially since the MSQ deals with spies in the midst as a theme. Then again, SE could have been pulling a Purloined Letter on us. The fact remains, I want her armor. Err... what was my point again? Oh, right. Can't wait for more content, they certainly gave us a lot to chew on this round. Show Content Spoiler 2.3 felt disjointed as all hell to me. Just a series of destinations and exposition and Ramoomoo and talking and walking. Wiki | The Grindstone 2018 17 | 16 | 15

Coatleque Coatleque Find all posts by this user Damaged Goods Posts:1,822 Joined:May 2014 Character:Florence Fishbane(Crofte) Linkshell:N/A Server:Balmung Reputation: 504 Timezone:UTC-5 RE: ULDAH MSQ - If you RP in Ul'dah you should finish MSQ | #53 10-31-2014, 08:36 AM (10-31-2014, 07:25 AM)Gaspard Wrote: ... Nope. Given the MSQ acts like a progression,... I knew someone would make this argument, and for the MSQ you are correct. But there are many questlines that fall outside of this progression, such as the Paladin job quests which people -could- do after the MSQ. All of these quests would have to be updated in order to make sense. Even if it's just a dialogue change. But it also would not make sense to keep Jenlyns in the Husting Strip. Wiki | Directory | Sketchbook

Warren Castille Warren Castille Find all posts by this user The Arbiter Posts:5,367 Joined:May 2014 Character:Warren Castille Server:Balmung Reputation: 1,118 Timezone:UTC-5 RE: ULDAH MSQ - If you RP in Ul'dah you should finish MSQ | #54 10-31-2014, 08:41 AM It could conceivably get pushed under a rug, but it still seems like a pain in the ass. Jenylns would hold no station any longer, the fugitive plot would fall apart because the Sultanate trying to bring the traitor to justice doesn't exist any longer, and in general the feel would just change immensely. Not saying that's a bad thing; Look at how many class quests are the "this used to be a group, now it's decimated" variety. Paladin would technically be falling in line with those. Just seems strange for one job to get all of the attention in this way. Wiki | The Grindstone 2018 17 | 16 | 15

Gaspard Gaspard Find all posts by this user Member Posts:246 Joined:Jul 2014 Character:Lucaniel Clarke Server:Balmung Reputation: 54 RE: ULDAH MSQ - If you RP in Ul'dah you should finish MSQ | #55 10-31-2014, 08:57 AM (10-31-2014, 08:36 AM)Coatleque Wrote: (10-31-2014, 07:25 AM)Gaspard Wrote: ... Nope. Given the MSQ acts like a progression,... I knew someone would make this argument, and for the MSQ you are correct.  But there are many questlines that fall outside of this progression, such as the Paladin job quests which people -could- do after the MSQ.  All of these quests would have to be updated in order to make sense.  Even if it's just a dialogue change.  But it also would not make sense to keep Jenlyns in the Husting Strip. It would make the sidequests story timeline dependent, sure, but that's how it goes usually in MMO's. There's probably various other sidequests that have already been torn apart continuity wise, Or anything featuring garlean commentary. Within the MSQ, you end up defeating Gaius and Ultima Weapon, this in itself probably retcons a handful of NPC dialogue/material aimed at you prior to those events. Ofcourse that's only a theoretical, but I could very well imagine that to be the case. As is with many other MMO's (For example Swtor). Where you have a plethora of dungeons/Quests you needn't run, but which throw the story on its head (For example, you end up killing the Emperor, you end up killing Darth Malgus, all of which are bound tightly in various NPC actions, Main and sidequest alike). I guess the main point to keep in mind is that we as Roleplayers aren't the number one concern, and that continuity needs only to be established within the main characters story progression. If the rest doesn't fit 100 percent, that's something we as roleplayers stumble over, but the rest probably pays absolutely no mind/heed to.

Sounsyy Sounsyy Find all posts by this user Lore Momger Posts:1,987 Joined:Jul 2013 Character:Sounsyy Mirke Server:Balmung Reputation: 854 Timezone:UTC-5 RE: ULDAH MSQ - If you RP in Ul'dah you should finish MSQ | #56 10-31-2014, 09:59 AM (This post was last modified: 10-31-2014, 03:33 PM by Sounsyy.) (10-31-2014, 07:26 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: Show Content Spoiler Aymeric does say openly that she's not Ishgardian, but I don't think anyone was expecting THAT to be her potential upbringing. You weren't implying it, but I don't think she's a spy. This feels too obvious if that's the case, especially since the MSQ deals with spies in the midst as a theme. Show Content Spoiler He does, and Mr. Sexy Voice tells me I should trust her implicitly, so I want to... but in the denouement "Let Us Cling Together" as Alphinaud and Raubahn are discussing Roaille, they very subtly mention Roaille's possible connection to a plot in Ishgard. I'll get an exact quote when I get home. EDIT: Alphinaud "Let Us Cling Together Wrote:By whose will was the marshal [Roaille] feeding intelligence to the heretics? Try as I might, I fail to see how aiding their cause would profit either her imperial or Monetarist masters. Could it be that another hand is at work here? If so, Roaille must be made to reveal whose it is. Also, I don't like being told to trust anyone in a movie, book, MMO storyline... ever. That immediately makes me not trust them. EDIT! Found text - check spoiler ^ Sounsyy Mirke | Razia Haiib | R'jahkob Nunh >>|Sounsyy's Lore Post Index|<<

Kage Kage Find all posts by this user Psy rockin' lala Posts:6,067 Joined:Jan 2014 Character:Kage Kiryuu Linkshell:Open RP Server:Balmung Reputation: 432 Timezone:UTC-8 RE: ULDAH MSQ - If you RP in Ul'dah you should finish MSQ | #57 10-31-2014, 10:06 AM Meanwhile since we're talking MSQ... Anyone else wondering about Aymeric's sword? It looks like a model of the curtana @_@

Warren Castille Warren Castille Find all posts by this user The Arbiter Posts:5,367 Joined:May 2014 Character:Warren Castille Server:Balmung Reputation: 1,118 Timezone:UTC-5 RE: ULDAH MSQ - If you RP in Ul'dah you should finish MSQ | #58 10-31-2014, 10:07 AM (This post was last modified: 10-31-2014, 10:07 AM by Warren Castille.) (10-31-2014, 09:59 AM)Sounsyy Wrote: (10-31-2014, 07:26 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: Show Content Spoiler Aymeric does say openly that she's not Ishgardian, but I don't think anyone was expecting THAT to be her potential upbringing. You weren't implying it, but I don't think she's a spy. This feels too obvious if that's the case, especially since the MSQ deals with spies in the midst as a theme. Show Content Spoiler He does, and Mr. Sexy Voice tells me I should trust her implicitly, so I want to... but in the denouement "Let Us Cling Together" as Alphinaud and Raubahn are discussing Raoille, they very subtly mention Raoille's possible connection to a plot in Ishgard. I'll get an exact quote when I get home. Also, I don't like being told to trust anyone in a movie, book, MMO storyline... ever. That immediately makes me not trust them. Ooh, good catch. I didn't manage to connect those things at the time. New pet theory: EVERYONE is a secret Garlean, and all of the secret Garlean roleplayers are actually sleeper agents disguised to counteract the empire. (10-31-2014, 10:06 AM)Kage Wrote: Meanwhile since we're talking MSQ... Anyone else wondering about Aymeric's sword? It looks like a model of the curtana @_@ I'm guessing lazy palette swaps. Curtana's the only huge one-handed sword in the game like that, everything else is thin or a curved blade. Wiki | The Grindstone 2018 17 | 16 | 15

Marisa Marisa Find all posts by this user Senior Member Posts:432 Joined:Aug 2014 Character:Marisa Stormsong Linkshell:Ishgard RP Server:Balmung Reputation: 51 RE: ULDAH MSQ - If you RP in Ul'dah you should finish MSQ | #59 11-01-2014, 01:52 AM (This post was last modified: 11-01-2014, 03:21 AM by Marisa.) Not really related to Ul'dah, but since we're talking about potentially RP-changing 2.4 content, Show Content I just finished the first few quests after Shiva and...turns out, Aymeric's second in command is not of Ishgardian descent. It's a bit of a different story because she's a proper Hyur, but it hints that Ryoko's whole "black sheep" background may not have quite as much merit as I'd thought. If an outsider can rise to the position of Second Temple Knight, I feel like their xenophobia may not be so strong that they'd actually alienate one of their own for being the wrong race. At least not all of them. Show Content Also, pertaining to Ul'dah,I think dissolving the monarchy, by choice of the monarchy, is an unfortunate step. I believe full well that Ul'dah should be a republic, but doing it in this manner gives the people nothing to unite around. It should be forged in blood and fire, when the people have grown so weary of the syndicate that they rise up against their masters, and take their freedom by the sword!

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