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Ashe · **09-11-2015, 11:24 PM**

(09-11-2015, 10:43 PM)ZacharyVolfire Wrote: Zach is a summoner through math and the power of SCIENCE. He has "Fought" several primals (fought meaning he at least was there at the battle if not directly fighting since he not a warrior of light but he has SOMETHING keeping him from being tempered 'we're still trying to figure out what.') Yet he also has studied mesarued and collected research on the energies of primals that has led him to understand and control his egi. His actual arcanistry magic is based on math and chemistry first using equations to project and bring the concoction to physical form and chemistry to focus and create potency. Thus bam he's a a class summoner. With some minor descriphencies. He cannot hold a summon for a long time aka 3 hours is his best currently. He must have a crystal to replenish his energy or else bye bye egi.

Now since you want to go White Mage/Summoner Might I make a suggestion. Why not you ooc be htose two but in character be a Geomancer. You channel the powers of the elementals and spirits which then allows you with their permission to use attacks based on the element? So you get amplified quake, aqua, aero, and even access to fire and thunder, as long as your in a area with the correct energies?

I think you and I have a different idea of how the power levels of characters in RP should be handled. You lost me at your character ICly fighting primals haha.

Shoshopu · **09-11-2015, 11:45 PM**

(09-11-2015, 11:24 PM)Ashe Wrote: I think you and I have a different idea of how the power levels of characters in RP should be handled. You lost me at your character ICly fighting primals haha.

Is this sarcasm? I'd rather ask than assume and say what I'm thinking of saying. (especially since Zach was said to be AT the battle, if not ACTUALLY FIGHTING, so he wasn't even fighting he was just present at one?)

Well, if it's not sarcasm, I guess i'll go ahead-- my character has totally also fought IC primals, too. She has a Leviathan-egi. It's a discussion that's happened in other threads and I could go look to find them, but it's totally plausible. It's not something that happens VERY OFTEN and it's not something to be taken lightly but it's not an extremely crazy thing either.

Ashe · **09-11-2015, 11:50 PM**

Nope, that's not sarcasm.Â
Everyone has different ideas of what is a sensible power level for characters for IC interactions. If you live in some fantasy world thinking everyone just accepts everything everyone does, then that'd be kinda weird. For example, myself and others tend to limit our interactions with people who RP as though the MSQ happened...I'd prefer to limit my interactions with someone who would ICly say that they have felled what are, essentially, gods. Everyone has their own idea how this and who they like to RP with. Now that I understand what he interpreted for RP, I understand why my views conflict with his. Simple as that.

Let me elaborate: If you want to get an 8 man party together to build your story and fight a primal ICly on EX mode or whatever, that's totally cool and maybe believable. If you're gonna tell me you felled a primal on your own ICly....that pushes my limits for what is acceptable for ME to believe ICly.

**Unnamed Mercenary** · **09-11-2015, 11:53 PM**

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Shoshopu · **09-12-2015, 12:10 AM**

(09-11-2015, 11:50 PM)Ashe Wrote: Nope, that's not sarcasm.Â
Everyone has different ideas of what is a sensible power level for characters for IC interactions. If you live in some fantasy world thinking everyone just accepts everything everyone does, then that'd be kinda weird. For example, myself and others tend to limit our interactions with people who RP as though the MSQ happened...I'd prefer to limit my interactions with someone who would ICly say that they have felled what are, essentially, gods. Everyone has their own idea how this and who they like to RP with. Now that I understand what he interpreted for RP, I understand why my views conflict with his. Simple as that.

Let me elaborate: If you want to get an 8 man party together to build your story and fight a primal ICly on EX mode or whatever, that's totally cool and maybe believable. If you're gonna tell me you felled a primal on your own ICly....that pushes my limits for what is acceptable for ME to believe ICly.

Alright! I mean, that's fine. I was just wondering if perhaps you (and many others I'm sure; when I'm RPing with people I don't know outside my FC, I say Shopu's only fought Leviathan, since that's the only egi she has anyway) were overestimating how uncommon primal-summonings occur, and people need to take 'em down when it happens, so... It's a totally cool thing to build a story around and it actually sounds like we're basically on the same page. But I just like to make sure before I go assuming things and jumping in (and then I went and wrote my assumption-based thoughts anyway, but)

Shopu certainly hasn't even come close to 1v1ing them WoL style, I'd humm at that too, and Shopu especially would, considering how tough her company found it with a party of at least, like, ten.

also!! sorry if my tone came off as argumentative? I really didn't mean to sound like I was trying to start an argument, just trying to figure out why you thought that D% As someone who's put a lot of time and thought into their IC summoner, whenever Summoner discussions come up I'm basically ready to go "It's not one of the 'untouchables' like WHM, and here's why". It's a fun thing to RP so it's, like... if people think they can't be one I'd like to let them know they can? I know this thread is about like... summoning other stuff and not "Summoners" but I'm looking for threads about it right now if OP's interested in that. I know specifically the discussion of ICly fighting primals has come up somewhere so I'm still nosing around.

Ashe · **09-12-2015, 12:21 AM**

I'd like to point out one more thing...
If you're going to be dealing with primals and killing them on your own, you should be mindful that a) your character must either be a WoL or have the echo at major major MAJOR risk of being tempered and/or just slaughtered outright without Hydaelyn's blessing.Â
I was talking to someone in my FC and if you have the 1.0 version of the echo as part of your character's...history(?) and were of the people transported 5 years into the future ICly, then it may make sense for you to be able to be a cut above the rest and have less risks if you were say, one of the many people sacrificed to Ifrit by the Immortal Flames just to keep him at bay >>

I admit that I take major risks with the RP I do on Ashe. He ICly uses incorrect Black Magic which, if used to often, would

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. Summoners are difficult...I OOCly have a summoner on my Xaela 'cause I wanted to be that cool kid who, before she was a Xaela, had a Hyur Sharlayan who was descended from Allagans and her family line was one of those genetic test subjects (like the CT quest dude) and did tons of research on the lore, etc. but it was just.....really difficult to RP. Like trust me, I get you haha

ZacharyVolfire · **09-12-2015, 02:10 AM**

(09-11-2015, 10:50 PM)Sounsyy Wrote:
(09-11-2015, 10:43 PM)ZacharyVolfire Wrote: You channel the powers of the elementals and spirits which then allows you with their permission to use attacks based on the element? So you get amplified quake, aqua, aero, and even access to fire and thunder, as long as your in a area with the correct energies?

In FFXIV's lore, this is essentially what a Conjurer is and does (though they don't need to be in a certain area to cast certain spells).

Geomancers, in FFXIV's lore, are something a little different and have nothing really to do with magic. Yes, FFXIV has canon geomancers, one of them is named Mutamix Bubblypots.

Â So Materia IS party of geomancy! i wish you were at a debate we had a month ago about him lmao. XD

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