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AkhutaiAngura · **08-26-2013, 03:40 PM**

Alright, so IÂ actually just finished the quest with Minfilla explaining the Echo before I came into class this morning. Sitting out at the student center now, waiting for my next class to start.. Anywho.

Minfilla's explanation of the Echo, and the powers it gives you leads me to believe the Echo doesn't manifest in everyone the same way. We as players get the Echo in the form of visions, but IÂ don't think the NPCs that have it, doo.

I've forgotten exactly what she said to lead me to this conclusion... I'll see if I can find a transcript of it or somesuch when I get home this evening. I might even look when I'm done with this, I've got a few hours 'till the next class.

The way I'm handling the Echo as far as RP goes, given my current understanding of it, is that Kaln is reaping all the benefits of the Echo except for the visions. He can remember who the Warriors of Light are, he can understand people, he can fight primals. He doesn't black out and start seeing the past and crap.

Clover · **08-26-2013, 03:48 PM**

(08-25-2013, 12:58 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote:

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SpoilerMinfilia, leader of the Scions of the Seventh Dawn -- the group of disciples of Archon Louisoix, reformed after his death to try to address the Primals problem -- explains the Echo to you after you join the group. It's basically a mystical power granted by the mothercrystal of Hydaelyn (or so it's believed) that grants the ability to see into the pasts of others. Sometimes you can actually interact with the memories, but you can't change anything. The Echo triggers seemingly at random; you have no control over it.

Later in that story arc, you end up encountering Ifrit. He uses an ability called "Tempering" that binds the souls and Aether of those exposed to it to him, allowing him to control their minds and sustain himself using their life force. Those who are Tempered turn into slavish worshippers of the Primal. You, as an Echo-blessed character, are unaffected, which surprises Ifrit. He then indicates that some mysterious force indicated that there would be some, such as your character, who are "sworn to no god" and must be destroyed. That's how the Ifrit fight starts.

What you find out afterwards from Thancred is that Tempering is permanent, and as such, the Scions are going to execute those who were captured and Tempered by Ifrit to prevent him from drawing Aether from them. Additionally, he and Minfilia explain that the Echo protects you from being Tempered.

As a result, the only canonical, lore-supported way to fight Primals ICly is to have the Echo, which comes as a result of being chosen by the mothercrystal as one of its warriors (in the level 7ish cutscene). Of course, you can come up with other ways around it in RP (or simply not do that content IC), but there's only one lore-supported way thus far.

Thank you very much! I've just seen the first quest today, but your explanation is more clear.
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I don't actually know if my character will end up fighting a Primal. She has led a simple life thus far, but since her story hasn't even started yet, her path could take me anywhere. I'll have to assume she possesses the Echo as well, just in case she ends up in a real war in the future. Every character will need to possess it, I guess, unless their owners are absolutely certain that their characters will never ever get involved in any sort of battle against the Primals.

Brave · **08-26-2013, 08:40 PM**

Thank you both for more input.

I haven't been able to sit down and really rip into the questline yet (I've just been trying to get a few classes to 15 so that I can hit my tanking Jobs asap)

Kain if what you've said is true then having the Echo only manifest certain aspects of it might be exactly what I needed to see. Â The spoilers that Freelance put up are also really helpful! Â If you haven't given them a look yet (and of course don't mind spoilers)

ForestGuardian · **08-26-2013, 09:14 PM**

I hadn't heard about this echo stuff before.Â

It sort of reminds me of the Ascended bit in Rift.Â

Personally I didn't want to RP an ascended character (people who had died and been resurrected with additional souls by either the gods or technology). The echo is less god-modey to me, and if it's the only way I can fight primals I'll probably accept it into my RP in small amounts.

Brave · **08-26-2013, 09:43 PM**

As I understand it so far it's not very game breaking especially from an RP standpoint.

We don't control it... so I mean literally the only way this thing is going to have any kind of "use" game breaking wise imo is if the players involved are ok with it.

*Do you have the echo?*
*yes*
*can I share something from my past with you?*

etc etc.

"speaking" to others is another time where you'd need consent from another player who's speaking a different language.

*I have the echo, would it be ok if I understand you?*

I think the big take away so far has been this idea of being tempered. Â If we have characters who want to participate in fighting the primals in an IC manner. Â Don't forget, lots of RP strife can come from WANTING to be able to do something... maybe even being real useful to the group if you could be there. Â But being unable to go. Â But yeah so far it seems pretty simple in practice.

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