Warren's pretty much got the right of it. There are or may be other methods, but there's yet to be any lore stating how exactly, so anything we theorize is just a shot in the dark. To be fair, we barely know how our own character truly becomes a White Mage. In the 1.0 version, there's a very interesting line in the first quest when Raya-O-Senna hands you a soulstone.
Now, during this quote your character begins glowing the moment Raya-O says she permits you to use White Magic and before you actually have the Soulstone in your hand. However, the quote seems to pretty heavily imply that it's by the power of that soulstone alone that you can even evoke the magicks. Without it... you're just a conjurer. Even with the stone, you're only as skilled as you are skilled at conjury. Does the Seedseer's vocal "permission" actually unlock Succor for you or no? Maybe.
So here's where this leaves me:
-Anyone who picks up a soulstone might have access to Succor. Anyone. This lends a lot of credence to the "I got my soulstone out of Amdapor" route to becoming a White Mage ICly.
-On the other hand, even with the stone, you can only invoke its power with conjury. So if you aren't a Conjurer (ie. NOT a healer, but rather someone who has devoted their life to the Stillglade Fane and restoring the Wood and spending years meditating and striving to hear the Elementals) that stone will not respond to you. It may not even respond to you unless you're a Hearer, given that before Raya-O hands you the stone she asks if you can hear Oha-Sok speaking to you.
-Now a conjurer of all people, especially a Hearer, knows better than to go against the Elementals. So to me this literally smells like a "Conjurer Gone Rogue" plot-line waiting to happen and the Seedseer Council giving YOU, the Player Character permission to hunt this wayward conjurer down and end him for betraying his duty to the Elementals, because YOU, the Player Character already have been previously trusted with the knowledge of Succor and the secrets of Amdapor. Did I just write a dungeon?
Quick note of clarification in that the corrupted earth and wind you deal with in game are Sprites, another type of Lesser Elemental like the Fae. But I do believe your point still stands and that one of the Great Ones (as they're called by Raya-O) could feasibly be corrupted by Void... or Dalamud Cultists... /cough. Amdapor was hidden inside a giant Hedge Tree right... Every Hedge Tree is home to one of the Great Ones... The Dalamud cultists perform the most foul and bloody of rituals in Amdapor Keep HM to bathe the very walls of the Keep in Void taint and call forth the darkness... So much corruption... in the home of an Elemental... Hmm...
This. Pretty much all this. Considering maybe 50-100 people max in the entire world know White Magic still exists today, people should not ICly assume someone is a White Mage unless the character literally comes out and announces it (which most wouldn't do because 1) best kept secret in the world 2) it's technically forbidden). Even then, most characters don't have an IC reason to even know what that is. I know my character would just look at you blankly for about 5 minutes and then ask if you were gonna cure her wound or not?
Raya-O-Senna Wrote:As you act in my name, I hereby permit you the use of white magic. Take here this linkpearl and the Soul of the White Mage. The latter is an ancient crystal imbued with the light of succor - by its power, the forbidden art will be yours to wield, albeit within your skill as a conjurer.
Now, during this quote your character begins glowing the moment Raya-O says she permits you to use White Magic and before you actually have the Soulstone in your hand. However, the quote seems to pretty heavily imply that it's by the power of that soulstone alone that you can even evoke the magicks. Without it... you're just a conjurer. Even with the stone, you're only as skilled as you are skilled at conjury. Does the Seedseer's vocal "permission" actually unlock Succor for you or no? Maybe.
So here's where this leaves me:
-Anyone who picks up a soulstone might have access to Succor. Anyone. This lends a lot of credence to the "I got my soulstone out of Amdapor" route to becoming a White Mage ICly.
-On the other hand, even with the stone, you can only invoke its power with conjury. So if you aren't a Conjurer (ie. NOT a healer, but rather someone who has devoted their life to the Stillglade Fane and restoring the Wood and spending years meditating and striving to hear the Elementals) that stone will not respond to you. It may not even respond to you unless you're a Hearer, given that before Raya-O hands you the stone she asks if you can hear Oha-Sok speaking to you.
-Now a conjurer of all people, especially a Hearer, knows better than to go against the Elementals. So to me this literally smells like a "Conjurer Gone Rogue" plot-line waiting to happen and the Seedseer Council giving YOU, the Player Character permission to hunt this wayward conjurer down and end him for betraying his duty to the Elementals, because YOU, the Player Character already have been previously trusted with the knowledge of Succor and the secrets of Amdapor. Did I just write a dungeon?
(03-16-2015, 09:40 AM)Gegenji Wrote: There's plenty of corrupted elementals you have to deal with in the CNJ storyline and such. Maybe one could purposely corrupt an elemental of appropriate power and somehow get it to bestow Succor?
Quick note of clarification in that the corrupted earth and wind you deal with in game are Sprites, another type of Lesser Elemental like the Fae. But I do believe your point still stands and that one of the Great Ones (as they're called by Raya-O) could feasibly be corrupted by Void... or Dalamud Cultists... /cough. Amdapor was hidden inside a giant Hedge Tree right... Every Hedge Tree is home to one of the Great Ones... The Dalamud cultists perform the most foul and bloody of rituals in Amdapor Keep HM to bathe the very walls of the Keep in Void taint and call forth the darkness... So much corruption... in the home of an Elemental... Hmm...
(03-16-2015, 11:48 AM)Heart Quintessence Wrote: Random thought, but since CONJ's are basically uhh 'White Mages' without the 'WHM ' label (for all intents and purposes), is it not better for characters to ICly assume if someone castes, raise, or cure, ect, they're probably a conjuror or someone with some CONJ training?
This. Pretty much all this. Considering maybe 50-100 people max in the entire world know White Magic still exists today, people should not ICly assume someone is a White Mage unless the character literally comes out and announces it (which most wouldn't do because 1) best kept secret in the world 2) it's technically forbidden). Even then, most characters don't have an IC reason to even know what that is. I know my character would just look at you blankly for about 5 minutes and then ask if you were gonna cure her wound or not?
