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(03-18-2015, 10:49 PM)Edvyn Wrote: "mary sue" refers to a specific shit character made long ago that set the precedent for shit characters in the minds of internet users
that's all there is
there isn't any more
i personally use "mary sue" for both male and female characters. what's the problem with using mary sue for both sexes? i can't be the only one who thinks "gary stu" is unnecessary. it's not really a gendered term.
Honestly I prefer Mary Sue as a catch all term as well. Gary Stu just doesn't fall off the tongue as well, and there have been times when people have to have the term explained to them as they've never heard of it before.