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(03-20-2015, 07:48 AM)Imo Wrote: I'll just pop in it say that anyone who thinks Superman is a bigger Mary Sue than Batman really hasn't been paying attention to the comic book fandom, and to writers who revere the latter to the point they might as well have a Bat-altar in their bedroom.
Well, I'm right here and just posited that point. Care to elaborate on it rather than merely stating it's incorrect? I don't read Superman comics as a rule because I don't find them interesting, so I'm painting with stereotypes on my proverbial brush.
I actually don't read many Batman comics, either, just the well-regarded collected stuff that showcases the detective work more than the "preptime, plot armor, deus ex machina" stuff.
Superman: Gets the girl, is widely loved by everyone in his city, can do no wrong in the public opinion, all of his villains are clearly the bad guy, and his powers and ability come from his birthright, requiring no effort or practice on his part
Batman: Has crippling mental problems, only has a few friends in the whole city, is often criticized as a vigilante, all of his villains are clearly insane, and his powers and ability come from his dedication to the cause, requiring lots of practice, effort and learning through experience which is made possible by his seemingly-infinite millions of dollars
Those are the concepts I'm working with here. If we're working with the "effortlessly does everything better than everyone else, and is still regarded by everyone forever" definition of Mary Sue (which is the original use of it) it's not a contest between the two. Not to say that shitty Bat books won't make it look like Batman's a supergenius who knew everything in advance. Those books are just shitty.
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